She does not speak for me.

[Skydancer]

Yes. Because someone doesn't share my opinon doesn't mean I think any less of them !

[Nash]

"the mother is embarrassing the son with her media circus actions"....

Well said? Suprise suprise, but I beg to differ.

Ya see, unless you are some kind of psychic or medium, it's pretty much impossible to tell just what Casey thinks of all this.

Embarrased? How can you feel such a thing when you don't even have a pulse?

If there is an afterlife, is it so outside of the bounds of reality (now that we're there) to think that Casey is kinda saying "Well gee, all things considered, that sucked."

His mom raised an Eagle Scout, Honour Student, Marine. I dunno what all of your parenting skills are, but I'd have to rank that right up there.

He could just as easily being saying from the great beyond: "Mom - you go girl."

Who the hell knows?

Please be so kind as to point out where Sheehan tries to speak for Casey. Good luck - because she's not doing that.

She's not putting words into his mouth.

But you are....

[Hangtime]

That doesn't mean we cant question the reason they are there and learn from the mistake.

We can and should ALWAYS question the reasons. Part of the sword having two sharp edges. I know, you know, the planet knows and those troops know the reasons for being there are highly questionable.

The mission is not. Establish a democracy. Destroy the insurgents.

Lets help 'em get THAT done by supporting the troops and the mission as it stands today. NEXT time, lets be a lil more careful about who we elect to the office of the Presidency.

And if being vocally derisive about and disgusted by that wench's protestations in some small way helps get across to the insurgents and their financiers that the resolve of this nation is and remains with our troops and their mission then it'll be my pleasure and duty to tell that broad and anybody else that'll listen in no uncertain terms just what I think of her 'message'.

[Nash]

But Hang....

It's already over.

[VOR]

Well said Hangtime.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Nash
But Hang....

It's already over.

Nash, it ain't over till the Iraqi's get their goverment up and running and a self defense force that can maintain public saftey and national defense.

When THAT'S done, it's over. To leave now, without CLEARLY establishing THAT objective would be nothing less than a victory for the insurgents and the islamic fundemntalists that spawned them... and THATS not a tolerable result.

[Nash]

Well damn, I agree with you.... but this aint gonna happen my friend.

And it aint Sheehan's fault. So lets focus here for a sec because she had nothing to do with this. She just wants out.

[Hangtime]

Want's out?

We'll damn, she needs directions to the exit?

It's kinda like the fat chick griping about being fat.

it's easy.

Just..... put..... the.... fork...... down. Now, step away from the pork chop.... that's it... careful.... careful... good.

In this wench's case it's just as easy. Just.... shut... the.... hell... up.... and grieve..... PRIVATELY. Thank you.

[Nash]

That was hard to follow, but I'll give it my best.

She doesn't need directions to the exit.

Others appearently do.

She is helpfully providing them.

There are truths and there are untruths. The truths seem to stick, for some odd reason. They strike a chord.... touch a nerve, or get under people's skin.

Sheehan's protest wouldn't be doing this very thing if there wasn't already the shared sentiment.

Leave it to the politicians to remain dumbfounded. Leave it to someone as unlikely as Sheehan to speak up and strike that chord.

[Gunthr]

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Originally posted by Gunthr
Thankfully, Cindy Sheehan speaks for only a small sliver of the American pie...

... but I noticed that she has no support from mainstreamers.
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How can you back this with facts ?
(I'm just curious and a bit vicious also ) - Straffo

Hey Straffo, you French provocateur!

Prima facie evidence for my statement is the fact that no democratic leader has stepped up and publically supported the rash statements made by Cindy Sheehan.  Why do you think that might be?  I am suggesting that they are afraid to be associated with her for fear of voter backlash > therefore you may infer that most Americans are really, really turned off by Sheehan.

Not fat-assed Ted Kennedy
Not that duplicitous, avaricious and power hungry witch Hillary Clinton, or her philandering hubby
Not Barney Frank
Not John Kerry....

none of them.

[Nash]

Let me do ya one better.

You said: "Thankfully, Cindy Sheehan speaks for only a small sliver of the American pie..."

Actual support for this war is now down into the thirties. Are you saying that ~35% is now "mainstream?"

[Hangtime]

Horsecrap. There's 5 million college kids that think everything about the '60's' is 'cool'.

They don't give a crap about Iraq, terrorists, democracy or the troops. They just wanna 'be cool', wear tie dyed shirts, burn flags and party/protest.

And this broad is just the nutcase catylist to set that damn machine up again. Everything about this.. the media, the ****storm of debate, the sweetheartbag decisonmakers that merrily marched our troops into this..

This is not good. This woman is outta line and we're playing with fire.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Nash
Hang - lets not disregard the timing of all this.....

There's been no anti-war movement up until now. None, zero, zilch, nada.

So any lack of success cannot be pawned off on Sheehan, or the nation's "loss of will." This is not Vietnam, and this isn't happening.

The administration is leaking like a sieve and has been doing so for months. This war went unrecoverably down the crapper long before anybody knew who Sheehan was.

She is simply saying: "Enough."

You are either lying to make a point or just not opening your eyes.


There have been anti war protests here in the Bay area since we invaded Iraq, if not before.

[Nash]

Horsecrap. There's 5 million college kids that think everything about the '60's' is 'cool'. - Hang

You sound kinda grown uppidy...

The closest these kids know to the 60's is Woodstock 3 with Limp Biscuit et al. Trust me.... there is no tie-dye involved.

And they hate the Doors.

That "machine" isn't there to fire up.

So that dog don't hunt.

And again....

Two weeks of Sheehan has had nothing to do with the failures there.

Yer barking up the wrong tree.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Nash
Let me do ya one better.

You said: "Thankfully, Cindy Sheehan speaks for only a small sliver of the American pie..."

Actual support for this war is now down into the thirties. Are you saying that ~35% is now "mainstream?"

Yer playing the same game the media is playing. It's the question and how it's asked.

Ask the question "Do you think we were lied to about the reasons for the invasion?" and the answer will likely match your percentages.

Ask the question "do you think our troops should stay untill the insurgents are defeated and/or the Iraqi Government and it's own troops can assure public saftey and the delivery of vital services?

And the overwhelming majority will answer "yes", just as you did.

You see, the media is not seperating those two very critical issues, hence the storm of debate around this wench's big mouth.