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Offline Hangtime

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« Reply #60 on: August 18, 2005, 10:32:40 PM »
We had 3 years in Vietnam before public demonstrations started.

Pull back and look at is carefully.. take in the big picture.

Scary, ain't it?
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« Reply #61 on: August 18, 2005, 10:37:25 PM »
Nope.

Just because the mood of the country back then was what it was, doesn't mean that it was wrong.

Some would have it that the citizens were at fault for the loss. Cooler heads prevail - it was never winnable.

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« Reply #62 on: August 18, 2005, 10:40:04 PM »
Disagree. Certainly winnable.

See?

;)
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« Reply #63 on: August 18, 2005, 10:40:49 PM »
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you can't parlay that into a national hate-fest the likes of the Vietnam era,


On Memorial Day anti-war activists splashed gallons of red paint on a veterans monument in Putnam County. Wednesday they spray-painted a peace symbol on a monument honoring Walter Panas High School grads serving in Iraq. Do they expect us to believe that they oppose the war but support the troops even while painting over the names of those troops and desecrating the monument erected in their honor?


In March, four anti-war protesters vandalized an upstate Army recruiting center and poured blood on the office's American flag. That same month, anti-war protesters in White Plains demonstrated their support for the troops by asking a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom, how many kids he killed in Iraq and by calling him a Nazi and a sucker for enlisting in the military. The White Plains crew also demonstrated their undying support of the military by passing out fliers that encouraged young people not to join it. Clearly those assembled that day were troop supporters all.

from erternalvigelance.com


As I stood there in my Marine Corps Dress Blue uniform, there before me stood numerous kids running around in sloppily dressed and ill-fitted helmets and military fatigues with utter disrespect for the symbols and uniforms of the U.S. military. The walls were covered in camouflaged netting and the stage was covered with approximately twenty white, life-sized cut-out patterns in the shape of dead women and children, all of which were splattered in red-paint to depict human blood. Onstage, children were kneeling and weeping while dressed in ill-fitted Arabic headdress with white-faced masks similarly covered in red paint to depict human blood. At a podium, children were reading a monologue of how U.S. troops were killing civilians and shooting at women and children. Moreover, several grown adults were standing on stage in bright orange jump-suits, with black bags on and off their heads, some bound and tied, and some banging symbols and gongs in a crude depiction of what I believe were their efforts to depict victims of the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse episode.

Within the auditorium, numerous adults appeared to have been supervising this behavior and children were literally running amok. What is going on in your classrooms and auditoriums? Who supervised this program? Who are these grown adults dressed as prisoners and performing such the attics on the stage of our public schools? Since when has it become Seattle School Board policy to take an official anti-troops position and declare returning combat veterans from Iraq such as myself as killers of innocent women and children as if this war were some sick sport. As an Iraq war veteran I am outraged by what I witnessed going on at West Seattle High School!

Maj. Terry Thomas



The claim "we support the troops but" is a sham. Its a lie. These "aintwar" groups such as ANSWER, MoveOn, and others do NOT support the troops, rather they are savvy enough to know that a repeat of the VN era stunts will get them pilloried quickly.

We should call them on it, and expose them for what they are.
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« Reply #64 on: August 18, 2005, 10:42:02 PM »
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Disagree. Certainly winnable.

See?

;)


Hehe.

Yeah I see. Always have.

Two sides of the coin.

With regard to Iraq, yer finally seeing, on a national level, the emergence of the other side.

I'm glad about that.

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« Reply #65 on: August 18, 2005, 10:45:40 PM »
Shaky - save it.

Because if there was anything even touching the disrespect of the troops shown to Iraq veterans as was shown to Vietnam veterans.... we would have heard about it through, and no disrespect intended, a lot of and a lot more places than from a Shaky post to the Aces High BBS.

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« Reply #66 on: August 18, 2005, 10:52:05 PM »
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Shaky - save it.



Huh? Absolutely NOT. I will never let it even get more than a toehold if I can help it.

The loons running the antiwar show such as MoveOn and ANSWER are controlled by the same type of people who caused the debacle 35 years ago. Research a bit and see who is running these groups.

Read liberal blogs and message boards and see how the "support the troops".

Then just "save it".
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« Reply #67 on: August 18, 2005, 10:54:14 PM »

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« Reply #68 on: August 18, 2005, 11:44:55 PM »
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Hey Straffo, you French provocateur!


I feel transparent :D

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« Reply #69 on: August 19, 2005, 12:21:58 AM »
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No it ain't Nash. I want the Mom's that support their sons on the line in Iraq to get equal time. I want the Mom's like Natilie Healy doing the talking head thing on Hardball. Why was she yanked at the last minute??

I want the media to explore BOTH side of the issue, VIGOROUSLY.


Hangtime speaks the TRUTH.   The media is trying to make Sheehan a sort of household name.  When they should include Healy, Sammis, Long, and the numerous others in their "stories."  BOTH sides need to be heard.  Otherwise, it's just propaganda.  As time goes on, I trust the big networks news less and less.  In school, you're told that journalists cover all sides of the story impartially.  That is not the case with most of the media.

It's funny, when the Rather fallout was occurring, our local affiliate of CBS began running ads mentioning how they do their research and they do their darndest to provide fair and balanced coverage.  Trying to distance themselves I guess.  Sad state of mainstream, big-network journalism.

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« Reply #70 on: August 19, 2005, 12:26:03 AM »
Wow.

Two weeks of an alternative view and folks go nuts.

You say: "BOTH sides need to be heard."

I agree. But unfortunately we have only heard yours. For years.

Now hear ours.

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« Reply #71 on: August 19, 2005, 03:13:20 AM »
A mother lost her child, she has probably lost her mind. I don't think I could function anymore if I lost one of my kids, I would be lost.
"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

(and I still say he wasn't trying to spell possum!)

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« Reply #72 on: August 19, 2005, 08:04:15 AM »
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Let me do ya one better.

You said: "Thankfully, Cindy Sheehan speaks for only a small sliver of the American pie..."

Actual support for this war is now down into the thirties. Are you saying that ~35% is now "mainstream?" - Nash


Semantics, Nash, as Hangtime observed. What I'm saying is plainly stated in my post!  Cindy Sheehan brays that we should pull out of Iraq now.  That is utterly irresponsible.  Most Americans and the even her own political party disagree with her.

Cindy Sheehan made the statement that Bush is the biggest terrorist in the world.  Do YOU believe that?  I don't think most Americans do.  Just apply this concept to all of her rash statements.  She is backed by MoveOn.org and other far left orgs that are quite out of mainstream America as well.


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« Reply #73 on: August 19, 2005, 08:57:31 AM »
I guess what I don't understand is...

Why is she just now saying all these things?  Now the pres is a filth spewer and war monger and now she opposses the war and want's to bring all the troops home no matter what happens to Iraq and it's people?

Why not when her son was alive?   Seems she was either afraid that he would tell her to shut up or.... she is insane with grief and not thinking clearly...  

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« Reply #74 on: August 19, 2005, 10:59:21 AM »
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But that means troops will have to be there for a very long time.


  We have a winner!
  They were meant to be there a long time when this started. Everything in the world is not instant.
  Pulling out  and quitting in the middle of a project is mindless, no matter what the project.
  A great job has been done so far and will continue to be done.
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