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« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2005, 06:55:17 AM »
Yes, not enough to amount to much. Grandfather was I believe 1/4 Indian.

Funny my 2 brothers & sister got the look, dark hair, darker skin, instant tan.

While it seems I got all the inside stuff.

As for the pow-wows, show me what is exactly the same as it was 150 years ago?

Rodeo's aren't, heck even spelling bee's have changed. So why wouldn't pow-wow's?

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« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2005, 07:36:46 AM »
Yup, from my Grandma on my Moms side.
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« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2005, 07:57:53 AM »
I don't care which one I am this week so long as I get the loan.  I don't care which one you claim to be...  you don't look like no indian to me.

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« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2005, 01:07:54 PM »
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Thats just it, its not tradition. lol

It supports their culture and I am all for it. But just thought it was an interesting fact that not many know. Everyone assumes the Indians have always had Pow-wows, when in fact they are a relatively recent invention by them to generate money.


Exactly what the hell would you call it that Custard ran up on and suprised with his geewizz I'll do the "split my forces against overwhelming odds" tactic? IIRC there were 5 very distict tribes gathered together grooving to the rightous beat. :rolleyes:

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« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2005, 01:27:14 PM »
I am a native american.  Me people have been native to america for at least 3 generations.

We belong to the comonIwannalaya sect.
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« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2005, 01:59:37 PM »
lol Yeager....but what about this you posted in another thread?

I was saving the quote for future use...but it didn't take too long.  ;)

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« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2005, 02:29:22 PM »
Lol....I knew I was shooting myself in the foot with that one :rolleyes:
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« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2005, 02:53:55 PM »
Another "part Cherokee".

My great grandfather on my mom's side was full blood from Arkansas or Oklahoma area.

GrandPa was a WWii fighter pilot in the ETO also. That's all american baby!

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« Reply #38 on: August 28, 2005, 01:04:31 PM »
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To say that gatherings are a recent phenomenon is not completely accurate.  Powwow celebrations have changed over recent years, but so have county fairs.

The powwow can be traced among plains Indian tribes to the celebration of a sucessful hunt.  

Dancing and tribal ritual were outlawed in the late 1800's and ban law was lifted in 1933.  Kinda tough to have major gatherings when participation is rewarded with jail time.

In 1933 the celebrations came out from underground observances, but the great depression stifled any growth in the celebration.

Returning WW II veterans were welcomed with Powwow celebrations.

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Pow-wow- Dancing competition for generating money for Indians.

What you are talking about are their native ceremonies and rituals.

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« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2005, 01:05:42 PM »
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Fact the first slaves in the USA were native Americans!!! (lot cheaper to get em there then bring em with you or buy em)



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Fact. Indians owned plenty of Black slaves. Although the Seminoles treated their slaves a lot better than whites/other indian tribes.

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« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2005, 01:16:39 PM »
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Exactly what the hell would you call it that Custard ran up on and suprised with his geewizz I'll do the "split my forces against overwhelming odds" tactic? IIRC there were 5 very distict tribes gathered together grooving to the rightous beat. :rolleyes:


1)I'm sorry, did the Indians say Hey Custer come on in and buy some indian goods or watch us dance. No the Indians attacked them. The 6 tribes (Cheyenne, Sans Arcs, Miniconjoux Sioux, Oglala Sioux, Blackfeet and Hunkpapa Sioux)

2)Do you really think the Indians were having a pow-wow?
They were together for mutual defense seeing as how we were driving them out of everywhere else. They were not celebrating they were defending and attacking. Custer did not surprise anything. Roll your eyes all you want but please at least check your facts first.


http://www.usnews.com/usnews/doubleissue/mysteries/custer.htm

"Gold rush. Custer took the field for the last time after the discovery of gold in the Black Hills of the Dakotas (by an expedition he led). White prospectors flooded onto Sioux land. The Army was ordered to force the Sioux onto reservations to make way for miners. Pushing west across the Great Plains in June of 1876, Custer's command was looking for a fight. After marching 72 miles in three days, they found it on the Little Bighorn.

On June 25, Custer stumbled on one of the largest Indian camps the Plains had ever seen–around 7,000 strong, made up of Sioux, Cheyenne, and Arapaho bands. Brimming with confidence and afraid the Indians would escape, he split his troops into three columns to encircle them. Custer led roughly 200 men toward the camp, counting on his two other columns to encircle the Indian warriors. Instead, he found himself surrounded by well-armed Indians atop what is today called Custer Hill. Most historians agree the battle was quick–no longer than two hours. Custer was found two days later, stripped naked and shot in the left temple and chest. Every one of his 210 men was killed."

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« Reply #41 on: August 28, 2005, 02:50:43 PM »
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Originally posted by Raider179
Pow-wow- Dancing competition for generating money for Indians.

What you are talking about are their native ceremonies and rituals.


According to Dictionary.com,

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pow·wow

1. A council or meeting with or of Native Americans.

2. A Native American shaman.
 
3. A ceremony conducted by a shaman, as in the performance of healing or hunting rituals.    
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« Reply #42 on: August 28, 2005, 04:21:11 PM »
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According to Dictionary.com,


lol

The roots of the Pow-wow may be older but it is certainly not the same thing as their rituals and ceremonies.

http://www.civilization.ca/media/docs/fspow02e.html

"In the powwow as in painting, First Nations performers and painters are expressing a very beautiful dream of a time when all spirits are together in the past, present and future, when all are one in perfect harmony and timelessness.

The word "powwow" is said to come from the Eastern Algonquian word "pahwayaw." Indeed, the Pequot Nation claims the word is from its language. It was once used as a general term to describe any community gathering such as a political assembly or communal planting and harvesting. Early settlers from Europe corrupted the word to "powwow" and used it mainly in a derogatory sense. By the early twentieth century, however, the word "powwow" came to refer specifically to the music and dance styles of the northern plains.

Prior to the twentieth century, both sedentary and nomadic First Nations communities had various societies that were responsible for organizing and conducting the activities required for the smooth operation of a community. Committees and workers organized the community's spiritual, hunting, policing, militia, agricultural, healing and craft activities. From time to time throughout the year, these various committees would gather for meetings or celebrations to plan, administer or conduct their activities. A "Spiritual Feast" as well as the individual society's songs and dances usually accompanied these meetings.

By the turn of the nineteenth century, many societies were becoming less important to the newer lifestyles making their way onto the reservations. Inter-tribal warfare disappeared as communities began to support each other's struggles against various governmental systems and controls. Buffalo Hunt societies no longer engaged in buffalo hunting. Dog Soldiers or Kit-Fox societies were no longer needed. What would these communities preserve and take with them into the twentieth century? What would be allowed or prohibited under the Canadian and American federal governments? Canada's Dominion Day (July 1), Independence Day (July 4) in the United States, and the many Wild West Shows were examples of occasions when the various governments allowed, and indeed requested, displays of traditional food, clothing, songs and dances. The modern version of the powwow evolved from these events and over time became the rallying force for twentieth century cultural survival."

The contempory Pow-wow is not the same as their celebrations, feasts, rituals and the like. It might have evolved from different aspects of different tribes traditions but is not an "Old Tradition".

Please link me to 1 Pow-wow that happened before the USA was even a country. Hell how about before the Civil War? They didn't occur so don't waste your time. They are/were an invention to generate revenue, why do you think there is a "Pow-Wow" circuit? It might not be all about money, but that certainly played a major role in forming of PoW-Wow's.

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« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2005, 10:29:57 PM »
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According to Boye Ladd, Winnebago Fancy Dancer, "Songs and dances evolved around the imitation of animals and natural forces and were held sacred."   The word powwow derives from the Algonquin definition of a coming together of medicine men and spiritual leaders in a curing ceremony, a ispauau or pau wau".   When early European explorers observed these religious practices with the accompanying dances they mispronounced it "powwow" and believed it referred to any large gathering of Indian people.   The term spread, and, as Indian tribes learned English, they accepted the definition given to their gatherings.


http://www.powwowcountry.com/powwow_history.htm

Took me about three minutes on Google, so I didn't waste much time.

The Iroquis Confederacy (depending on which historian you believe) dates back to either 1142 or shortly after the encroachment of europeans.  Either way, gatherings of political and spiritual leadership happened among the confederation before 1776.

Since County Fairs include a carnival, monster truck races and tractor pulls, county fairs did not exist before the internal combustion engine and electricity.
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« Reply #44 on: August 28, 2005, 10:37:13 PM »
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http://www.powwowcountry.com/powwow_history.htm


Since County Fairs include a carnival,  and tractor pulls, county fairs did not exist before the internal combustion engine and electricity.


actually, tractor pulls and carnivals were done by done by steam power before the internal combustion engine...