B-29 Super Fortress

[Nemisis]

When I had the amt of perks to burn I always took off in a 234 on a semi-crowded base...usually when there were a few cons around...hit RATOs when I got off the runway and got speed as cons dove on me. Easy kills when they think you are the unwary pilot. Don't need forward firing guns, they'ed help me more, but I like the enjoyment of PM's asking how I killed them and how I am a cheater. Hell I even get guys say that I "cheerypick" them...

It is a great dogfighter if you use it's strengths to your advantage.
Looking up past scores I have 326 Ar234 kills in my "AH Career".

I'm not disputing its dogfighting abillity, or its difficulty to kill. All I'm saying is line up the Ar234, 262, and the 163, then (usually, no accounting for personal prefferances and skill sets) you will die more often in the 234. Mainly due to the fact that if you want to kill someone, you have to keep him dead on your 6, and that the lower stess tollerances means you can't dive as fast to escape an attacker. I suppose you could dispute the rear firing guns issue due to the fact that they are 20mm's instead of the 30mm's.

[Ack-Ack]

And you think that trying to get something that is larger than any other bomber off the ground and fly it is easy? Look, we can do this all day long and you would never win. They need to put the plane in and deal with it then.  

The Lancaster is by far the biggest bomber we have in the game and unless you're a completely and total idiot, it is very easy to take off from any base in it without having to use auto-take off.  Any suggestion that the B-29 will be hard to take off without having to use auto-take off is really way off the mark.  You may have troubles upping a heavy bomber without auto-take off but those of us that have a tad more experience will not experience the troubles you do.

Yes, we can do this all day long, I don't mind at all as I rather enjoy proving you wrong with each post.  Care to make it a hat trick?

ack-ack

[oakranger]

Why would you think it is hard to take off in a B-29?  We do not even have it on AH yet you sound like we do and you could not take off with crashing. 

Here is the powerplant of B-29:
4× Wright R-3350-23 and 23A turbosupercharged radial engines, 2,200 hp (1,640 kW) each

B-17:
4× Wright R-1820-97 "Cyclone" turbosupercharged radial engines, 1,200 hp (895 kW) each

B-24:
4× Pratt & Whitney R-1830 turbosupercharged radial engines, 1,200 hp (900 kW) each

Lancaster:
4× Rolls-Royce Merlin XX V12 engines, 1,280 hp (954 kW) each

That is a lot of HP behind that B-29

[gyrene81]

Look, we can do this all day long and you would never win. They need to put the plane in and deal with it then. 

No they don't. The B-29 is not needed in any manner...there are other planes that are actually needed which would require less work to incorporate than that uber bomber. There is no valid reasoning behind adding it, especially considering the numbers manufactured before the end of the war and the numbers used during it's roughly 13 months of WWII service. Of course there isn't much use for the AR-234 either...but it is perked, has a much smaller payload and for the most part it's a hangar queen. After more pertinent planes get added, then maybe...just maybe there might be a useful purpose for having another uber bomber...until then wishing for it is like wishing for battleships and submarines.

[oakranger]

No they don't. The B-29 is not needed in any manner...there are other planes that are actually needed which would require less work to incorporate than that uber bomber. There is no valid reasoning behind adding it, especially considering the numbers manufactured before the end of the war and the numbers used during it's roughly 13 months of WWII service. Of course there isn't much use for the AR-234 either...but it is perked, has a much smaller payload and for the most part it's a hangar queen. After more pertinent planes get added, then maybe...just maybe there might be a useful purpose for having another uber bomber...until then wishing for it is like wishing for battleships and submarines.

There is more than enough reason why the B-29 should be added.

[5PointOh]

No they don't. The B-29 is not needed in any manner...there are other planes that are actually needed which would require less work to incorporate than that uber bomber. There is no valid reasoning behind adding it, especially considering the numbers manufactured before the end of the war and the numbers used during it's roughly 13 months of WWII service. Of course there isn't much use for the AR-234 either...but it is perked, has a much smaller payload and for the most part it's a hangar queen. After more pertinent planes get added, then maybe...just maybe there might be a useful purpose for having another uber bomber...until then wishing for it is like wishing for battleships and submarines.

Hmmm I think you need to do a little more searching of history. Seems that over 3,000 B29s were built. If you go by Boeings website, 3970 were built.   Still I'd like to hear why everyone thinks its such an uber bomber? IMO the reason the 234 isn't flown often is because of the payload.  Give the B-29 a 200 perk range, and go from there. I mean 600 perks for a for a formation. It wont be over used, but not under used.

B-29
Type: High-Altitude Heavy Bombing
Origin: Boeing
Models: Model 345, B-29 to B-29C
Crew: Ten to Fourteen
First Flight: September 21, 1942
Squadron Delivery: July 1943
Combat Debut: June 5, 1944
Final Delivery: May 1946
Production: 3,000+

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Powerplant:
  Model: Wright R-3350-23 Duplex Cyclone
  Type: 18-cylinder radials with 2 turbine driven
     turbochargers
  Number: Four       Horsepower: 2,200

Dimensions:
  Wing Span: 141 ft. 3 in. (43.05m)
  Length: 99 ft. (30.2m)
  Height: 27 ft. 9 in. (8.46m)
  Wing Area: N/A
 Weights:
  Empty: 74,500 lb. (33,795 kg.)
  Loaded: 135,000 lb. (61,240 kg.)

Performance:
  Max. Speed: 357 mph (575 km/h)
  Cruising Speed: 290 mph (467 km/h)
  Climb to 25,000 ft. (7620m): 43 minutes
  Service Ceiling: 36,000 ft. (10,973 m)
  Range (With 10,000 lb. bombload):
      3,250 miles (5230 km)

Armament:
Four GE Twin 0.50 in. in turrets above and below.
  -Sighted from nose or three waist sighting stations.
Bell tail turret with one 20mm cannon and
    two 0.50 machine guns.

Bomb Load:
Internal load of 20,000 lb. (9072 kg.)
 
AR-234
Type: Single-seat reconaissance bomber
Origin: Arado Handelsgesellschaft Warnedmunde
Models: Ar 234B & Ar 234C
First Flight:
    Ar 234B-0: June 8, 1944
Service Delivery: September 1944
Final Delivery: N/A
Number Produced: N/A

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Engine:
Ar 234B:
Two Junkers Jumo 004B axial Turbojets
Thrust: 900kg (1,980lb) thrust
Ar 234C:
Four BMW 003 axial Turbojets
Thrust: N/A



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Dimensions:
Span: 14.2m (46 ft. 3.5 in.)
Length: 12.65m (41 ft. 5.5 in.)
Height: 4.3m (14 ft. 1.25 in.)
   Weights:
Empty: 5200kg (11,464 lbs.)
Loaded: 8410kg (18,541 lbs.)
Maximum with rocket take-off boost: 9850kg (21,715 lb.)

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Performance:
Maximum speed: 742km/h (461mph)
Ceiling: 10,000m (32,800 ft.)
Range on internal fuel (clean):
  1630km (1,013 Miles)
Range with 3,300lb bomb load:
  1,100km (684 Miles)

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Armament:
Two fixed MG 151 20mm cannon in rear fuselage, firing to the rear and sighted by periscope (there is some speculation that this was never fitted to production models)
Bomb Load:
various combinations of bombs slung under fuselage and/or engines to maximum of 1500kg (3,300lb)

 

[oakranger]

It is a simple face that people who do not want it really do not know their WWII history, especially when it comes to the B-29. 

[EskimoJoe]

It is a simple face that people who do not want it really do not know their WWII history, especially when it comes to the B-29.  

dood, i know muh historee teh be92 was juss the coolesst bumber in teh war tatz why we wunt it dood, becuz it dropped th nookz on te germunz in duh pahsiffuc.

[dhart]

No they don't. The B-29 is not needed in any manner...there are other planes that are actually needed which would require less work to incorporate than that uber bomber. There is no valid reasoning behind adding it, especially considering the numbers manufactured before the end of the war and the numbers used during it's roughly 13 months of WWII service. Of course there isn't much use for the AR-234 either...but it is perked, has a much smaller payload and for the most part it's a hangar queen. After more pertinent planes get added, then maybe...just maybe there might be a useful purpose for having another uber bomber...until then wishing for it is like wishing for battleships and submarines.

Ok, you want the end all reasons to add it? I am a paying customer and want it. It does not come down to what you think we need or your opinion on what we should have. This plane is iconic when you talk about WWII, funny I thought this game was about WWII! If they came to me and said if they get X amount of votes for it to be in the game I guarantee it would get them. There is a whole other level we can go to in all of the wants, but this one is a must.

[dhart]

See Rule #4

[Ack-Ack]

Ok, you want the end all reasons to add it? I am a paying customer and want it. It does not come down to what you think we need or your opinion on what we should have. This plane is iconic when you talk about WWII, funny I thought this game was about WWII! If they came to me and said if they get X amount of votes for it to be in the game I guarantee it would get them. There is a whole other level we can go to in all of the wants, but this one is a must.

The only thing this game has in common with World War II are the planes we fly in here, that's it.  This game is not about World War II, it never has been and never will be.  It's about fighting using World War II planes and ground vehicles and in no way attempts to recreate anything historical in relation to World War II.

Pyro in a post many years ago, way before you started to play, mentioned in a post why they are hesitant to add the B-29 and you want to know what that reason was?  It was because it would render other bombers pretty much to hanger queen status. 

In addition, there are many more planes this game needs before it the B-29 is ever to be under consideration to be added.  We have glaring holes in both the Early War and Mid War plane sets as well as holes in certain country plane sets that need to be addressed before we add the Super Fortress.

Gee...I just scored a hat trick, boy that was easy.


ack-ack

[Ack-Ack]

It is a simple face that people who do not want it really do not know their WWII history, especially when it comes to the B-29. 

No offense but reading your previous posts relating anything to World War II shows a large amount of lack of knowledge regarding anything relating to World War II aircraft. 


ack-ack

[5PointOh]

This is how I look at it right now.  Yes there are many planes that could be added from other countries, and the early/mid war era.  I suspect many of these are great planes and would have there own places in AH.

It seems to me that B-29 is by far the most wished for item in AH. I didn't do search just taking a guess. Do you really think that all other bombers would be parked?  Personally I don't think so if HTC sets the perk price accordingly.

If you look at the amount of people that populate the arenas, the LW arenas are truely the populated arenas.  Its really all speculation at this point, but the truth of the matter it did serve in WWII and a valid wish.  Other than the quote from Pyro (posted by Ack Ack), just curious on what HiTech or any other member of the HTCs staffs opinion is on the B-29. 

I myself, much rather have the P-61A/B but to many people complain about it being an American plane or the fact that it truely doesn't become night in AH.

[oakranger]

Yea, P-61 would be a great AC to get, but look how many other ACs (110, 109, 190, MOSS) too play a role as a night fighter.  So there is no reason to not to have the P-61. 

dood, i know muh historee teh be92 was juss the coolesst bumber in teh war tatz why we wunt it dood, becuz it dropped th nookz on te germunz in duh pahsiffuc.

Once again, why you have to put nuke with the B-29.  It only used two (Fat Man= 10,200 lbs, little boy = 8,900 lbs)comparied to the tens of thousands of tons other bombs it used.

[dhart]

See Rule #4