B-29 Super Fortress

[oakranger]

dhart, two things; 1) you shouldn't call people retards, especially on AH forum.  That is a good way for skuzzy to lock your forum account.  2) Most people today could not identified a B-29 from a B-24. 
I do agree with you on how many people who will fly the B-29, not many.

[gyrene81]

Ok, you want the end all reasons to add it? I am a paying customer and want it.

Not a valid reason. You are 1 out of many hundreds...even if 50 people side with you...you're still outnumbered...and the B-29 is not a "must have" by any stretch of the imagination.

This game is one of many based on WWII aerial combat...it is not a WWII simulator...it is not "about WWII"...if either was the case, it would be a more complete experience and you wouldn't have to be wishing for the B-29, it would already be available.

Hmmm I think you need to do a little more searching of history. Seems that over 3,000 B29s were built. If you go by Boeings website, 3970 were built.   Still I'd like to hear why everyone thinks its such an uber bomber? IMO the reason the 234 isn't flown often is because of the payload.  Give the B-29 a 200 perk range, and go from there. I mean 600 perks for a for a formation. It wont be over used, but not under used.

I actually did my research...repeatedly...and depending on the resource the production numbers range from 2876 to 3980...I would have to assume that prototypes and test units may or may not be included in the numbers. A couple of resources show that from May 1944 to June 1945 only 1000 to 2000 were deployed to bomber squadrons operating in the PTO...the heaviest use occurred between November 1944 and August 1945 after the Marianas islands were captured and the B-29s were moved from India and China. Still, until full scale strategic bombing began in the summer of 1945 until the nukes were dropped...the B-29 had little effect on the Japanese war effort.

There is also some conflicting information as to "top speed"...a couple of sources state 399mph at 25k...others state between 357mph and 375mph...guess it depends on which model...probably the fastest ones were post war mods while the slowest were early production. If cruising speed was 220mph how would max speed be achieved?

Next question would have to be which model...highest production numbers maybe...or perhaps most used in the war? B-29, B-29A or B-29B?

And let's not forget that the 20mm in the tail was replaced by 2 additional .50 cals due to it's being ineffective.

The B-29 isn't the most wished for AC...it's just the most controversial...the actual number of legitimate B-29 requests since 2006 is less than 10.

[Beefcake]

The B-29 isn't the most wished for AC...it's just the most controversial...the actual number of legitimate B-29 requests since 2006 is less than 10.

I'm posting this sorta tongue in cheek, but what constitutes a legitimate B29 wish? 

[5PointOh]

You're right Gyrene, this is a game based on WWII combat, in which the B-29 participated in, and it meets the criteria for being added to the game.

B-29 and little effect? Hmmm.  During the last nine months of the war the 20th Air Force flew 3331 combat missions (24,665 bombing sorties) dropping 155,041 tons of bombs and mines. The 29 dropped incendiary bombs on Japan leaving many of the cities in ruins, along with Operation Starvation ( a 5 phase operation of dropping sea mines around Japan) basically brought Japan to its knees before the atomic bombs were even dropped.

I'm sure this had more of an impact on WWII than say, the TA-152, AR-234, or maybe even the Me-262. But as you said this "is not about WWII", so therefore in your eyes impact on the actual way should have no impact on a decision to have the B-29 or not.

As far as which model to use, that would be up to HTC.  If you look at the production numbers of the B25, the 25J production was much higher than the H or C that we currently have in the game.

The maximum speed refers to the fastest speed the aircraft could travel, while cruising speed also known as the optimum cruise speed, is the most efficient speed in terms of distance, speed and fuel usage.

If you can find an aircraft that is wished for more, I'd like to see it.

Aerial view of B-29's on taxiway, massed for takeoff from Saipan.

[dhart]

Not a valid reason. You are 1 out of many hundreds...even if 50 people side with you...you're still outnumbered...and the B-29 is not a "must have" by any stretch of the imagination.

This game is one of many based on WWII aerial combat...it is not a WWII simulator...it is not "about WWII"...if either was the case, it would be a more complete experience and you wouldn't have to be wishing for the B-29, it would already be available.

Well lets see, there are no biplanes, no B-52s, no F-22s, no Apaches, kinda narrows it down as to what is left. If this is not a WWII sim then why to we recreate many of the major battles in the game? And no I am not 1 out of hundreds, I am simply 1 of hundreds. This is a business, to say my reason is not valid is about as far from the truth as you can get. If there was a poll taken on yea's and neh's for it, it would end up in the game.

[gyrene81]

I'm posting this sorta tongue in cheek, but what constitutes a legitimate B29 wish?  

LOL...you know what I meant...do the search and see for yourself...there have been quite a few people with "spoof" B-29 posts in here.

This is a business, to say my reason is not valid is about as far from the truth as you can get. If there was a poll taken on yea's and neh's for it, it would end up in the game.

Then post the poll and see how it goes...Ack Ack, like yourself is one of the hundreds of paying customers and he gave reasons you have readily dismissed why it isn't and shouldn't be in...people who consider the impact to the rest of the paying community above their own desires will vote against it. You have yet to post a valid reason for including it...aside from your own "I want" attitude what can it do that existing U.S. or British bombers can't do...fly clear across any map being used on the servers? wipe out an entire base in one sortie? out run nearly all of the existing fighters in the game?

You're right Gyrene, this is a game based on WWII combat, in which the B-29 participated in, and it meets the criteria for being added to the game.

B-29 and little effect? Hmmm.  During the last nine months of the war the 20th Air Force flew 3331 combat missions (24,665 bombing sorties) dropping 155,041 tons of bombs and mines. The 29 dropped incendiary bombs on Japan leaving many of the cities in ruins, along with Operation Starvation ( a 5 phase operation of dropping sea mines around Japan) basically brought Japan to its knees before the atomic bombs were even dropped.

And Japan kept on fighting...refused to give up...until the second nuke...nice photo by the way, looks like June or July 1945 when the heaviest bombing missions started.

I'm sure this had more of an impact on WWII than say, the TA-152, AR-234, or maybe even the Me-262. But as you said this "is not about WWII", so therefore in your eyes impact on the actual way should have no impact on a decision to have the B-29 or not.

I have no clue why the AR-234 or Me-262 are included...however what I do know is neither has had much of an impact on the game...the TA-152 is just another 190.

If you can find an aircraft that is wished for more, I'd like to see it.

HE-111 pops up in more threads than anything else...the Ju-52 is a close second...(if I counted it right)...

[Ack-Ack]

Well lets see, there are no biplanes, no B-52s, no F-22s, no Apaches, kinda narrows it down as to what is left. If this is not a WWII sim then why to we recreate many of the major battles in the game? And no I am not 1 out of hundreds, I am simply 1 of hundreds. This is a business, to say my reason is not valid is about as far from the truth as you can get. If there was a poll taken on yea's and neh's for it, it would end up in the game.

Name one WW2 air battle that is regularly, if at all, recreated in any of the main arenas (EW, MW or LWs)?  Even the designer and developer of this game has repeatedly stated that AH is not about recreating WW2.  Care to tell him that he's incorrect?


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[Spikes]

I'm not disputing its dogfighting abillity, or its difficulty to kill. All I'm saying is line up the Ar234, 262, and the 163, then (usually, no accounting for personal prefferances and skill sets) you will die more often in the 234. Mainly due to the fact that if you want to kill someone, you have to keep him dead on your 6, and that the lower stess tollerances means you can't dive as fast to escape an attacker. I suppose you could dispute the rear firing guns issue due to the fact that they are 20mm's instead of the 30mm's.

With any average joe the 262 is harder to kill, of course it is. It's a jet, you get in trouble you run. You won't believe how much interest I get and PM's I receive asking how I fly it that way and how a person wants to learn (aside from the whines of how I killed em). I think it's great and gives me an opportunity to help someone out.

I purposely slow down (full rudder barrel rolls) to lure the guy in...you know everyone and their mother would like to kill a 234. But I think there's been a few more guys around the MA's as of the past few months that fly them, and a lot of guys are more skiddish while attacking them.

Speed? A Jet is a jet. I can speed along at 400+ on the deck, no other fighter can do that. Yeah, it has dive issues but still can hit around 500 in a dive, A fighter can catch that fairly easily at 550 (Jugs, ponies). But In the long run you won't catch the 234 unless you are in a 262.

The 20mms are definately easier to hit with, don't think I'd want 30mms (What would you get...120 rds or so?) but I suppose each has it's own advantages. Killing in the 234 is hard to come by...either you kill em in a few pings, or you take their engine oil out and they bug out...sometimes they get mad and keep on your six. Normally I'll lose an engine oil but for me that's no big deal. I judge the situation and see if I will need the extra engine's speed to get me out. It's a real bugger losing both engines...plane isn't that great of a glider.

Give a guy a month in the 234 to find out it's weaknesses and strengths and I guarantee that pilot will fly better. I used to be big into GV bombing in it until I first killed a fighter with it...never looked back!

[Motherland]

With any average joe the 262 is harder to kill, of course it is.

An average joe in an Me 262 is a pretty easy kill if he's actually trying to do any killing himself.

[Spikes]

I have no clue why the AR-234 or Me-262 are included...however what I do know is neither has had much of an impact on the game...the TA-152 is just another 190.

TA is a helluva bird at alt.

I'd rather not explain myself about the 234 again.

I think I might make a video on how to fly the 234, so more people can discover it.

[Spikes]

An average joe in an Me 262 is a pretty easy kill if he's actually trying to do any killing himself.

Most definitely, but for the most part, if they get a con 2.0 or around that range, they hightail it out and grab more alt...but that's what the jet was designed to do, wasn't a dogfighter. Or they make long, sweeping passes, ie pass, extend 6K, rinse and repeat. More experienced 262 pilots do more experienced things.

[5PointOh]

Gyrene if you just go by wishlist topics...I have 11 for the HE-111 and 28 for the B-29. 

[Nemisis]

With any average joe the 262 is harder to kill, of course it is. It's a jet, you get in trouble you run. You won't believe how much interest I get and PM's I receive asking how I fly it that way and how a person wants to learn (aside from the whines of how I killed em). I think it's great and gives me an opportunity to help someone out.

Yes, but it seems your missing my point. I am in no way saying that the 234 is an easy kill. All I'm saying is that if you take the same guy and give him the 234 and 262 for one month each, he'll be a harder kill in the 262. Mostly due to speed, and forward firing guns, even if they are the crappy 30mm's.

Speed? A Jet is a jet. I can speed along at 400+ on the deck, no other fighter can do that. Yeah, it has dive issues but still can hit around 500 in a dive, A fighter can catch that fairly easily at 550 (Jugs, ponies). But In the long run you won't catch the 234 unless you are in a 262.

Again, you seem to think (at least this is what I got from the above section) that I'm saying the 234 is an easy kill and that the 262 can't be touched. That isn't the case, and I know it. I've been killed attacking a 234 before, and I've been killed attacking a 262 before. I lasted longer against the 234, IDK if that is due to difference in expierence level or superiority of the plane though.

The 20mms are definately easier to hit with, don't think I'd want 30mms (What would you get...120 rds or so?) but I suppose each has it's own advantages.

Not sure about this last part. Did you think I was suggesting that the 30mm's are better? If so, then I was saying that you could dispute the difficulties caused by rear facing guns due to the fact that they are the easier to uses, and flater firing 20mm's. Personally, having rear facing 30mm's in the 234 would be a real b***h.
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[Motherland]

The Ar 234 is actually a pretty easy kill if you're coalt with it, and especially it if it has bombs, or you're moving particularly fast.

[Spikes]

Yes, but it seems your missing my point. I am in no way saying that the 234 is an easy kill. All I'm saying is that if you take the same guy and give him the 234 and 262 for one month each, he'll be a harder kill in the 262. Mostly due to speed, and forward firing guns, even if they are the crappy 30mm's.

Yeah for sure, I was just saying if you gave him a month in the 234 to train and tool around with it, he might make the plane useful in his hands. I've been playing for years now and still can barely hit with the 30mms.

Again, you seem to think (at least this is what I got from the above section) that I'm saying the 234 is an easy kill and that the 262 can't be touched. That isn't the case, and I know it. I've been killed attacking a 234 before, and I've been killed attacking a 262 before. I lasted longer against the 234, IDK if that is due to difference in expierence level or superiority of the plane though.

I'd have to say Experience and plane, lots of people say "it's the pilot not the plane". Very true, it's how the pilot uses the plane. If you want to get down 'n' dirty flying a 234 or 262, go for it! If you just want to do high speed bombing in the 234, or high speed BnZ flights in the 262, what's stopping someone? Both can and can't be touched, just depends on how a person flies it.

Not sure about this last part. Did you think I was suggesting that the 30mm's are better? If so, then I was saying that you could dispute the difficulties caused by rear facing guns due to the fact that they are the easier to uses, and flater firing 20mm's. Personally, having rear facing 30mm's in the 234 would be a real b***h.

Nah, I was just commenting on the 30mms in general, great guns, do damage instantly, IF you can hit someone. Would take 20mms over 30mms even though I may not get an insta kill, I can warn off fighters if I get a single ping with the 20mm. Of course, if I get a hit with the 30 they'd be in the tower or going down most likely.

The Ar 234 is actually a pretty easy kill if you're coalt with it, and especially it if it has bombs, or you're moving particularly fast.

Why yes, yes it is.
(Cannot remember when this was or what the situation was, but I figured I'd post it for kicks, no harsh feelings!)