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« Reply #165 on: September 03, 2005, 01:32:40 PM »
Would love to moot. One problem I've not got a huge unlimited wallet and theres other prioritys right now but thanks for the offer! ;)  Oh its Birmingham actualy. Funny realy how its ok for you guys to chat on about your lives what happens over there etc but when I  or others do who are not US based we get the old shut up treatment! unless I'm reading you wrong in which case I'm sorry.

Lazs believe it or not I kind of understand your viewpoint but I have to ask what would you do in this case. Don't give a ,blow em away wiith a thirty eight and thats why the USA is great ( hey that rhymes! ) answer what would you have done given the same circumstances? Seriously you seem to think I made a mistake, so what would you have done?

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« Reply #166 on: September 03, 2005, 01:46:49 PM »
I dont want you to stray from your opinion.. Stick to your guns as you might say.
The matter is insuring satisfaction, happiness etc.  You might bet on anyone else than yourself to insure these, but the one and only guarantee to have them is to be self-sufficient, and if everyone were, the world'd be a much nicer and healthier place.
One's freedom ends where it meets others'.  Owning guns doesn't have any bearing on others' freedom.  Misuse of anything, purple crayons or kalashnikovs, with respect to that boundary of freedom is just a matter of civility.
There'll always be law-breakers, why not give those law-abiders at least an equal chance of survival?
Having a black-belt friend isn't anymore inherently dangerous or anarchic than having a gun, both are kept in check by common sense and courtesy, discipline, whatever you want to call it.

Don't tread on others' freedom and everything'll be fine.
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« Reply #167 on: September 03, 2005, 01:48:42 PM »
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. Funny realy how its ok for you guys to chat on about your lives what happens over there etc but when I  or others do who are not US based we get the old shut up treatment!  


Ummmmm.......maybe because you are babbling about something you know absolutely nothing about and pertains to you in no way?
  You are grasping the idea but not getting a grip on the actual concept. :)
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« Reply #168 on: September 03, 2005, 01:54:02 PM »
I'm sure it's very very hard to grasp to someone who hasn't lived in a low-gun enviroment before. The higher the percentage of gun owners of the population, the higher the chance of a gun ending to someone who is mentally unstable now or in near future.

A gun is a means to project power. I stress the word project. This can't be done with melee weapons, not very effectively anyway.

If the NO situation would have happened in UK there would be no way on earth that the rescue workers would have got shot at. They might have been waving sticks at them, having nothing else to project with.

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« Reply #169 on: September 03, 2005, 02:03:04 PM »
Exceptions dont make the rules...

I grew up in France, where the only civilians guns I saw were either hunters' in the countryside, or delinquents' smuggled or stolen from cops in bad neighbourhoods.

Spent about 4 years in Canada, then 6 in the US.  Talking with family while I'm back in a french overseas territory for a year more, they automaticaly reject the idea. They dont disagree with it so much as fear it.  The only people who seem to understand are with few exceptions those who've been around guns, ex-mil etc.
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« Reply #170 on: September 03, 2005, 02:03:12 PM »
ok... fair enough... but so that we understand each other.... I don't feel that I live in fear any more than you do.   I feel that I am more prepared and maybe a little more world wise and.... for a few more years anyway... I bet I can handle myself in the next fight at least as well as you could.

Having said that... How would I have handled the situation?  I don't know... you never really explained what the "drunken thugs" were really doing.

If they were just being noisy and such... I would yelled at em to shut up..  maybe called the cops... they like to respond to drunks...  

I would have either not confronted em or, made them come onto my property... if they were injuring someone I would have gone out and confronted them with a weapon.   preferably a firearm of sufficent caliber to end fights quickly.

and moot... thank you for honoring mine and others rights to keep and bear arms.

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« Reply #171 on: September 03, 2005, 02:03:59 PM »
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If the NO situation would have happened in UK there would be no way on earth that the rescue workers would have got shot at. They might have been waving sticks at them, having nothing else to project with.


The only problem with that is it didn`t happen in the UK, it happened in Nawlins. :0
Beleive me , the time is fast approaching where the UK will see more and more guns and see them used more and more often. It`s a wide open illegal market that is certainly not being ignored and is being taken advantage of.
  The difference is, there will be no guns in the hands of the "good guys" because that choice and freedom was willingly given up.
  The world is rapidly advancing to be a very dangerous place to live.
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« Reply #172 on: September 03, 2005, 02:15:50 PM »
Lazs, getting my shooting license as we speak.
Requires taking part in seasonal target competitions, i'm being tutored for a year.  
It's a national police club, so they only let me shoot .22 so far, but plinking that at 25m (75ft) and compressed air at 10m is already addictive.
They're pretty strict on starters' safety routines and discipline.  Really fun all the same.

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« Reply #173 on: September 03, 2005, 02:17:27 PM »
But if it should happen in the British Isles, old chap, I am certain Her Majesty's Government will act with dispatch and give the rounders a sound thrashing!
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« Reply #174 on: September 03, 2005, 02:22:36 PM »
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But if it should happen in the British Isles, old chap, I am certain Her Majesty's Government will act with dispatch and give the rounders a sound thrashing!


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« Reply #175 on: September 03, 2005, 02:25:32 PM »
Pip Pip, ya'll!

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« Reply #176 on: September 03, 2005, 03:01:32 PM »
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Lazs, getting my shooting license as we speak.
Requires taking part in seasonal target competitions, i'm being tutored for a year.  
It's a national police club, so they only let me shoot .22 so far, but plinking that at 25m (75ft) and compressed air at 10m is already addictive.
They're pretty strict on starters' safety routines and discipline.  Really fun all the same.

Thread derailed, sorry :).


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« Reply #177 on: September 03, 2005, 06:31:32 PM »
Lazs they were drunk and fooling around damaging peoples property and trying to stop the traffic Threatening drivers who stopped. Fairly  aggressive and frightening some members of our community and destroying some guys building project. They weren't south central type gang bangers or weapon wielding thugs. So yeah I did as you would, I yelled at em told em to bugger off and then called the cops.

But the point was if I knew they might be carrying a gun that could hit me from some distance I wouldn't have been able to do that unless I had a weapon too in which case a simple situation would've got very complicated and deadly very quickly. The point being that our relative lack of guns makes things a bit easier to deal with and a whole lot less dangerous!

Now as regards the US I don't think you guys could turn the clock back and get rid of guns. Not without some pretty heavy handed search and destroy all weapons type of activity.  So I guess you guys are stuck with it. But that isn't neccessarily a great thing. You are fond of telling us we're lily livered softys or some kind of neo facist country for having strict limitations on firearms. But you don't get it any more than you think I do. We don't have to carry weapons own weapons and we are secure in the knowledge that people who do are few and far between, and though things aint perfect, I'm a whole lot happier with that than the armed society you got going over there. I think our version is better and I believe I'm entitled to that view! You seem unable to accept that another way to the good ole USA might actualy work. Honestly I feel sad for you guys having to be armed to protect each other. Thats no society I would want to live in.

Now that'll do I think. Before I get lambasted for telling you guys what I think. Just remember Lazs and others its you guys who keep raising the guns issue and making barbed comments about our way of life govt etc too, this things swings both ways. If you don't want to hear another point of view why keep hijacking threads with the gun thing?

Oh and I'm not some mucho macho wannabe testosterone fuelled hero. I'm just a regular bloke who doesn't want to let the dumb, bad and anti social people run my life! And I reckon I'm one of a majority who I wish would get up and form a coalition of the good, against this minority of scumbags with no respect and no idea of responsibility.

Someone I forget who had a sig that said.

"All it takes for evil to triumph is for a few good men to do nothing", or something like that anyhow!

Few rant over. Sorry bout that .

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« Reply #178 on: September 03, 2005, 07:41:54 PM »
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Violence feeds violence. It doesn't make it right though Lazs.

The difference is that in your country the situation has been blown out of hand for a looong long time. When every wacko owns a gun your only option is to arm yourself better for protection (if thats even possible). Well, or move to a safer place.

So essentially you folks chose your path, we chose ours.


What path is that?  Wars started on a continent?  

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« Reply #179 on: September 04, 2005, 01:56:37 AM »
Wow, skydancer if that were to happen here I wouldn't even THINK about going out on my own and doing what you did.  And I live in Hawaii.  You'd most likely have been given the eye by each of them, who would've then proceeded with "What!? You like false crack?!?!" or some other chain of cussing.  All of them would then get up and begin to move towards you.  At that point it would be prudent to run.  You would most likely face beer bottles, knives, pipes, machetes, baseball bats, tire irons if they were really mad.  You might be staring at the wrong end of an illegal firearm if you just confronted a gang.  My probable course of action would be to immediately call the police and wait, hoping they don't notice my house in between the time it takes for the police to get here.  If I were armed it would just give me an option if the police didn't get here in time and they began to break windows and threaten people.  Going out there (and off your property) pointing your firearm at them and being "sheriff" would STILL NOT be an option, except under the circumstances Lazs mentioned.    

Where you and beet1e live is just plain DIFFERENT.   No comparison if your "thugs" are really that docile.  

Back to the thread, I watched some of the coverage today which showed National Guard heavy trucks plodding through the floodwaters loaded with supplies.  And service helicopters of every variety bringing supplies, and whisking people out.  Thanks to the NG and various law enforcement agencies who were able to start getting things under control again.
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