Just like FW190D?.....

[DVDA]

What is the closet plane to the FW190D?...The reason why i ask because i am lethal in the FW190D, killing is not problem in this plane, but i just want to try something new occasionally...

So what is the closet plane as for feel, speed etc to the FW190D

I tried some of the P-47D-40 and P-51D they were very sluggish and heavy feeling

[Karnak]

Try the Spitfire Mk XIV or Tempest Mk V.

Maybe the La-7 or La-5FN.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by DVDA
What is the closet plane to the FW190D?...The reason why i ask because i am lethal in the FW190D, killing is not problem in this plane, but i just want to try something new occasionally...

So what is the closet plane as for feel, speed etc to the FW190D

I tried some of the P-47D-40 and P-51D they were very sluggish and heavy feeling

P-47s are high altitude fighters. Up there they are reasonably agile and very fast, especially the P-47N which is a monster above 20k. Fuel weight is a big factor in Jugs. Never take more than 50% in a P-47N or 75% in the others. Personally, I take 50% and a belly tank. Among the P-47s, the D-11 is the most agile, the D-40 the best climber of the type at low altitude. At higher altitudes, the P-47N is untouchable. It easily out-climbs the 109G-10 from 20k to 30k and can attain 476 mph when level at 30k.

Limit your fuel load in the P-51D to no more than 50% and you'll find it doesn't feel sluggish. 50% gas will take you quite a bit further than 75% in the 190D-9.  

My favorite Dora killer is the P-51B. It suffers from relatively weak guns (four .50 cal mgs), but is far more agile than the Dora, and is faster and climbs better from 12,000 feet on up. It's a near perfect ride for hunting strat porkers.

Likewise, the Spit XIV is a very capable fighter and it outclasses the Dora in every important aspect except pure speed on the deck. Another beast is the F4U-4.

My regards,

Widewing

[Whisky58]

Originally posted by Widewing
Likewise, the Spit XIV is a very capable fighter and it outclasses the Dora in every important aspect except pure speed on the deck. Another beast is the F4U-4.

My regards,

Widewing [/B]

One important aspect where nothing outclasses the Dora (except a5) is rate of roll, which imo is one of it's main advantages, esp at speeds which freeze others up.

Bw

[Kweassa]

One important aspect where nothing outclasses the Dora (except a5) is rate of roll, which imo is one of it's main advantages, esp at speeds which freeze others up.

 Actually, at high speeds the 190 loses a lot of its roll rate. IIRC, the P-38L and the F4U outrolls it over 400.

 It's the medium speed ranges where the 190 is best in roll. When caught by an enemy plane at mid speeds, some quick rolls as you dive/accelerate, and then when the speed builds up leave the enemy behind in dust.

[Whisky58]

Can't dispute you there Kweassa    Apologies for my sloppy sentence.  By "others" I meant SpitXIV, La7, P51, P47 & Temp which have appeared as main contenders for Dora alternatives in this thread and is based on anecdotal experience not data. Please let me know if figures prove me wrong

[MANDO]

Originally posted by DVDA
I tried some of the P-47D-40 and P-51D they were very sluggish and heavy feeling

Then you are not comparing them with AH D9.

[Kurfürst]

Originally posted by DVDA
What is the closet plane to the FW190D?...The reason why i ask because i am lethal in the FW190D, killing is not problem in this plane, but i just want to try something new occasionally...

I guess an almost direct equivalent for behaviour and performance is the Hawker Tempest. Almost the same ROC, speed, altitude performance....

[Furball]

Give the Ki-84 a try...

Not saying it is similar to the D-9, but i suspect you will like it.

[Howitzer]

I don't know how you fly  the dora, but just be careful of compression speeds in the la7, la5 and ki84.  I'm not sure if 38s are in this conversation or not, but don't get the shakes with that thing =)

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Kweassa
Actually, at high speeds the 190 loses a lot of its roll rate. IIRC, the P-38L and the F4U outrolls it over 400.

 It's the medium speed ranges where the 190 is best in roll. When caught by an enemy plane at mid speeds, some quick rolls as you dive/accelerate, and then when the speed builds up leave the enemy behind in dust.

But this isn't fighting, it's running.....

Oh, and rapid rolls eat energy (adverse yaw). Roll rate is a benefit, not usually an advantage that can be counted upon to save one's bacon.

Doras are strictly one trick birds. Cherrypick and run like hell.. Burn off E and die. I prefer the F4U-4 or P-51B which can fight their way out of trouble. It may be of interest that the P-51B is faster than the F4U-4 from 5k up through 16k. OTOH, the F4U-4 accelerates and climbs better over that altitude range (considerably better than the Dora too).

My regards,

Widewing

[BUG_EAF322]

What kurfurst said the behaviour on the typhoon drivers is about the same.

[wrag]

Hmmm........

IMHO...............

I've hunted down many a D with the 109g10.

The 109g10 is not ez to fly though.

Compresses at about 425 below 5k.

The more alt you have the faster u can go ina 109g10.

Turns terrible in most cases.

Roll works far better.

RUDDER!

[moot]

I'd say F4U4 or Ki84, Tempest to a lesser degree.

[Kweassa]

But this isn't fighting, it's running.....

 You're supposed to run when an enemy plane is behind you.

 No disrespect, but with a plane behind you at 400 that you know you can outrun, I assume you'd do the same.

Oh, and rapid rolls eat energy (adverse yaw). Roll rate is a benefit, not usually an advantage that can be counted upon to save one's bacon.

 Not when the energy is already building from a dive.

 I've encountered your opinions on the scissors as a last-ditch of defense which I do agree, but provided there's some alt to build up speed, it's not always like that. Especially against planes that feel the effects of hvy ailerons as speed builds up.

Doras are strictly one trick birds. Cherrypick and run like hell.. Burn off E and die. I prefer the F4U-4 or P-51B which can fight their way out of trouble.

 Any plane is a one-trick plane under bad circumstances. I agree that the Corsairs and Mustangs have a far better chance in dogfighting than a contemporary 190, but that's still only assuming that the pilot you're facing is at best a mediocre - which, for some reason, you seem to ignore constantly.