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Offline mussie

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« on: September 03, 2005, 03:16:28 AM »
Hey PPL

I have got a good handle on the Nik Fm2 and D11 but I want to start flying the the P38.

I have a couple of query's on the 38.

1- Which version is the best dog fighter
2- What is its strengths
3- What are its weaknesses
4- Any tips....


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Offline Cooley

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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2005, 04:38:02 AM »
1...The G is prob the best dogfighter, thiouh I fly the J

2... Climb,,,,,Guns and the fact that they have no convergence issues, Vertical ACM, and the real 367th flew em, can rearm like an
Indy car pit stops

3... Fighting side to side,,,rolling type fights, scissors, pilot wounds
compression in dive, views

4...I use it for Jabo,,,and then become fighter
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2005, 04:52:17 AM »
Thanks cooley but what do you mean by "Fighting side to side"

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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2005, 11:35:52 AM »
it has a slow roll rate if ya dont know it well.

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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2005, 11:41:58 AM »
Depends what your looking for.

The 38L is usually my ride because its better for furballs with being able to get out easier.  The reason that is because it had dive flaps so you dont compress as quickly when diving compared to the other 3s.

The 38J i fly occasionally depending on the situation.  The 38J is more mobile that the 38L but it doesnt dive as well.

The 38G, I use when against a cv, is the most mobile but it lacks the speed that the other 38s have and it doesnt have wep.  If you dont mind the windshield its a great plane.

It all depends on the situation you are going into.

P.S. Dont disgrace the 38s by only using the 38s for ground pounding especially the 38L.  :aok
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2005, 02:47:18 PM »
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Rolls great, turns great, both super fast and super slow.

But like Hora said, it depends on what you're looking for.

I like the control at high speeds with the L. Trim works good for th PJ, but it works better for the L, and the L likes to roll at higher speeds than does the other two. Its got alot of what I like.
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2005, 02:55:00 PM »
I prefer the J or g to the L in ah, some how powered ailerons feel really odd to me with current role rate code.

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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2005, 03:51:52 PM »
I like L, I personally think it dogfights better than a G and I've not noticed the J being more manouverable.

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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2005, 04:07:50 PM »
So from what I am reading here, over all the L is the better dog fighter. but the J is more maneuverable.

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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2005, 04:16:52 PM »
i recommend putting some time in the G...you will appreciate it later.
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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2005, 04:48:10 PM »
If your going to B&Z use a 38 L or J, but just watch the speed you dive in the J, because she gets a little hoggish at speed, mainly in the roll rate area.

G is a good plane to fly if your not in a hoarde, you can tangle with spits and just about anything else when you start to get the hang of it.  

Your best bet is just to fly all of them, and see what which one you like to use givin the situations.

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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2005, 05:34:08 PM »
Teh PW-38 pwns in the pilot wound area. No other plane is even close.

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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2005, 06:10:59 PM »
What Lazer said.

The L is the over all better of the three.  It has boosted aileron controls and dive flaps, which really aid it in high and low/stall speed maneuvering.

The J is slightly faster than the L but not in any significant way that it's an advantage.  The J is slightly more maneuverable than the L but it does pay for it by being a tad more sluggish in rolls and transient turns.  It also carries a lighter ordnance payload, 2 1,000lb bombs and 6 3.5in Bazooka rockets.

The G is the slowest of the lot but the best turning of the 3.  It like the J model, it doesn't have dive flaps but unlike both the J and L it does not have WEP.  Carries the same ordnance package of the J model.

As with all P-38 models, it is best to keep the fight in the vertical as much as possible and using nose low turns.  The P-38 has big rudders, use them to aid your rolls especially in the J and G models.

As with all P-38s, be careful when diving.  The L has dive flaps which will aid in the dive recovery but the J and G don't have them, so you need to take care in dives.  Don't worry about entering compressability though, as long as you stay below 20,000ft you won't enter into a compressability state.  You'll just hover below the threshold and still retain control of the craft, albeit sluggish controls due to the buffeting you experience at high speeds.  Use your throttle and rudders to aid in controlling you speed in dives.

FLAPS, FLAPS, FLAPS, FLAPS!  Get to know them, get to love them, get to know how and when to use them.

Auto-retracting flaps - GAY!  Stupid, hand holding, coddling, gamey feature that should be removed except for the planes that has such a feature.  Watch out for it, as it can throw you into a very difficult snap spin to recover from.

Ammo load...I know there is some debate to this about whether or not taking a lighter ammo load out will aid you're maneuverability.  Personally, I think it's bullcrap.  Why hinder yourself with a lighter ammo load?  Take the full ammo load, any claims that it hinders  your maneuverability is utter hogwash as the lighter load does not give you any advantage.  And if you're as a crappy shot as I am, every round you can get your grubby hands, the better.

And remember...while not a master of one particular jog, the P-38 does them all very well.  It is a good E fighter, turn fighter and attack plane.  You really need get to know the strengths and weaknesses of the Lightning and imparitive that you learn the same about the other planes.  Part of being successful in the P-38 (or in any other plane for that matter) is to be able to take advantage of the weakness of your foe's plane in order to negate the weaknesses of yours.  For example, if I get into a fight with a Spitfire Mk IX or N1K2, I am not going to turn fight with them at medium speeds.  Why? Because at medium speeds the Spitfire Mk IX and the N1K2 turn and maneuver better than the P-38.  So instead, I'll try and keep the fight fast or drag them down into a low/stall speed fight, where the P-38 has a slight edge over both planes.

While a lot of us kid and joke about the P-38 being an EZ-Mode plane, it's really a challenging plane to fly and that's what makes the P-38 such a joy to fly.

Search the AH message boards for P-38 tips and films.  I know I've posted quite a bit of tips on the boards as well as Murdr.  You can also visit the 479th website and check out our extensive collection of P-38 films, probably the single largest collection of AH films for the P-38.  Also be sure to read Murdr's PJ University lectures.  If any of the films on the 479th show a dead link, be sure to tell me so I can fix the link.


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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2005, 03:46:35 AM »
Mussie, I fly the L and J.  You have a very hard time beating the L at 20k+.  The ord package is great for JABO, but it is best if you don't try it from more than 10k in a steep dive.  There is compression from 20k!

I like the J more for low level dive bombing and in real life it was better.  Yea, the L has dive brakes, but they aren't that great and only used as a last resort.

The biggest problem I see with the 38 is the pilot wound!  Very seldom do I get one in other planes, but at least 2 a day with the 38.

In short there are so many pluses, you just have to try it and work out what works best for you.  I know you will love it.

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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2005, 05:25:53 AM »
I am currently playing around with testing out climb times. Dont think anyone is interested in that, but according to the p38 i can say:

Wep climbing from 15 to 25k altitude with moderate fuel load (>26 mins of fuel at mil power on 15k, ta so 1.0 fuel burn):

P47N    3:05
F4U4    3:10
Spit9    3:20
109G2  3:25
P38J     3:30
P51B    3:35
P38G    4:05 (only 24mins fuel left)

P38j climbs good and at high altitudes it climbes verry good.

Also note that the G packs less fuel, so 50 percent in a G is less fuel than in a J.