Author Topic: Something Fishy... (Read 9090 times)

SkyRock · « **Reply #270 on:** September 12, 2005, 11:27:02 AM »

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Originally posted by DMax

It takes 2 to HO

DmdMax

What a load of chit! lmao! It takes one guy squeezing the trigger.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #271 on:** September 12, 2005, 11:44:28 AM »

You guys really need to lighten up. You come on here, not because you got hooked or caught up in the farce, and most certainly not because you care (you obviously don't or you wouldn't read through page after page of nonsense to be able to reply with insults and generalizations [which are also wrong]).

You post to 'hook' us by doing what? Telling us we suck because we don't play the game your way? And we're judgemental because we don't want to, and don't have a huge interest in rank? So, your posting repeatedly to insult us isn't judgemental, and is in fact the right way to interact with others?

In that case, read the ****ing thread again, stupid. We didn't use bombers "until the last run". We used bombers twice, realized a possible implication (as well as an unforeseen factor in regards to time required), and switched to GVs. We worked harder at making it irrelevant, and letting everyone know what we did. The harder we tried, the nastier you idiots got, and now it's just degraded into name calling. Hooked us, my ass.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #272 on:** September 12, 2005, 11:57:56 AM »

hub and company.

Best suggestion is to quit trying to explain it to folks who don't get it. It's a waste of time and typing

As long as you are having fun, that's what counts.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #273 on:** September 12, 2005, 12:05:39 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01
I don't fly safe or at 20k so as to rack up these kills, that takes about as much skill as vulching.

Flying 'safe' as you put it, is not only not the best way to rack up kills it's definately not the best way to a good fighter rank/score. I see plenty of dweebs flying high and presumably 'safe' that couldn't get a kill if their collective lives depended on it. Flying high and/or safe totally screws your K/T if you are not very, very good at it. While it may theoretically help your K/D it only does so if you actually know what to do with altitude and have the discipline to not blow your E and/or get over-committed. Saying flying 'safe' and/or high makes killing as easy as vulching is completely untrue.

Zazen

mars01 · « **Reply #274 on:** September 12, 2005, 12:17:57 PM »

Hey Zaz,

It makes it easy enough for me, the hard part, for me, is not getting bored to death flying that way.

And I have run into enough guys that will cherry pick all day and run as soon as they realize they are in a fight and might die.

Nomak · « **Reply #275 on:** September 12, 2005, 12:25:10 PM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
You guys really need to lighten up. You come on here, not because you got hooked or caught up in the farce, and most certainly not because you care (you obviously don't or you wouldn't read through page after page of nonsense to be able to reply with insults and generalizations [which are also wrong]).

You post to 'hook' us by doing what? Telling us we suck because we don't play the game your way? And we're judgemental because we don't want to, and don't have a huge interest in rank? So, your posting repeatedly to insult us isn't judgemental, and is in fact the right way to interact with others?

In that case, read the ****ing thread again, stupid. We didn't use bombers "until the last run". We used bombers twice, realized a possible implication (as well as an unforeseen factor in regards to time required), and switched to GVs. We worked harder at making it irrelevant, and letting everyone know what we did. The harder we tried, the nastier you idiots got, and now it's just degraded into name calling. Hooked us, my ass.

I am going to assume that NONE of that was directed my way.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #276 on:** September 12, 2005, 12:28:25 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01
Hey Zaz,

It makes it easy enough for me, the hard part, for me, is not getting bored to death flying that way.

And I have run into enough guys that will cherry pick all day and run as soon as they realize they are in a fight and might die.

Flying smart does not necessarily mean cherry picking. It does not necessarily mean running if death is possible. Flying smart just means not entering a situation or remaining in one where death is certain if it can be avoided. Ironically, the best way to a great fighter rank is to actually do exactly what you do, enter a fight, kill 2 or 3 then die. Don't confuse survivalism with score whoring.

You BK's have flown Rooks for awhile, I fly in the same area as you guys alot. You surely realize I am always under 10k, usually on the deck and furballing it up with you (never vulching I might add). But, I am still flying safe/smart and I still survive the vast majority of fights. Flying smart has nothing whatever to do with altitude or cherry picking it is really just an extension of situational awareness and the tactics of how to approach an engagement, select and switch targets during the engagement, then finally how and when to exit from the engagement. All of that requires quite a bit more thought and SA skill than simply engaging a few guys with your Spit, flailing around until you die, perhaps taking a couple of them to the grave with you.

Zazen

mars01 · « **Reply #277 on:** September 12, 2005, 12:40:37 PM »

Zazen,

You are talking apples and I am talking oranges. People who fight and engage and push the envelope are the ones that I enjoy running into.

People that rarely engage without an advantage or run as soon as they lose the advantage are some of those that I am talking about. If you are not in that categorty than don't worry yourself about it. If you have some charrished pilot rank then good luck with that.

Everyone has their own measuring stick. Mine is not score, it is how a person fights when I run into them that is all.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #278 on:** September 12, 2005, 12:47:07 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01
Zazen,

You are talking apples and I am talking oranges. People who fight and engage and push the envelope are the ones that I enjoy running into.

People that rarely engage without an advantage or run as soon as they lose the advantage are some of those that I am talking about. If you are not in that categorty than don't worry yourself about it. If you have some charrished pilot rank then good luck with that.

Everyone has their own measuring stick. Mine is not score, it is how a person fights when I run into them that is all.

My point of contention with your statements revolve around the implications that someone who flies to survive is a rank potato by definition, that is untrue, flying to survive actual hurts your rank in a myriad of ways more than help it. Also, that you seem to think flying smart is the anti-thesis to 'fighting spirit', that is also untrue. Flying smart isn't about NOT fighting it's about being intelligent in selecting your fights, knowing when to commit fully, and knowing when to withdraw. Fighting smart is about being aggressive selectively, not blindly...It does not necessarily mean always having the advantage, it simply means not putting yourself in a situation where you are so disadvantaged death is a certainty.

Zazen

DipStick · « **Reply #279 on:** September 12, 2005, 12:49:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Lazerr
Hey dweeble... I have had many 10-20 kill sorties that didn't involve vulching

He said, "they're either the result of extremely timid flying, or vulching." We know where you stand.

mars01 · « **Reply #280 on:** September 12, 2005, 12:57:27 PM »

Zazen,

I know you are dying to get into one of your rants about surviving in an online sim and it's valor. But I'm not interested. I never said anything about survival, you are reading that into what I wrote.

You know I don't agree with you, I think the thrill of the fight is way more enticing then leaving a fight to survive. You know that, and I know your side. We killed that horse a long time ago.

If anyone points their nose at me I am going to fight them. Some I win, some I lose. The last thought I will have, is will I survive and should I run to fight another time. I don't run blindly into fights, I have won many fights that I am sure you would have run away from. Thats your game this is mine.

I am here for the fights and my squaddies, not the accolades, not the need to be recognized as the best online computer gamer out there, or how well my score looks. I'm here for the adrenalin rush of Air to Air combat, or as close as I can come in this day and age.

doc1kelley · « **Reply #281 on:** September 12, 2005, 01:04:35 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01
Zazen,
I am here for the fights and my squaddies, not the accolades, not the need to be recognized as the best online computer gamer out there, or how well my score looks.

Point well taken!:aok

All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
BOPS-Golden Eagles

Zazen13 · « **Reply #282 on:** September 12, 2005, 01:16:34 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01
Zazen,

I am here for the fights and my squaddies, not the accolades, not the need to be recognized as the best online computer gamer out there, or how well my score looks. I'm here for the adrenalin rush of Air to Air combat, or as close as I can come in this day and age.

Flying to survive gives you a rush as well. I've flown your way for years on end, it's fun no doubt, but there's little continuity to it. There's no over-arching tactical premise that guides your actions. Killing is fun, but killing and getting away with it is sheer ecstacy.

Not all survivalists fly for accolades, some fly for the thrill of the hunt. I wouldn't be much of a hunter if I let my prey or his friends kill me now would I? Hunting humans is the greatest thrill there is, it's not enough to out-fly and out-shoot them, hunting them requires you out-think and out-smart them as well. Compound that with the fact that unlike in real WWII engagements people are afforded the opportunity to learn from their fatal mistakes and the game becomes even that much more intriguing. AH is a WWII air combat human being hunting simulator to me, it has nothing to do with score or rank or whatever, it's all about the predator/prey mentality...

Zazen

mars01 · « **Reply #283 on:** September 12, 2005, 01:29:06 PM »

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wouldn't be much of a hunter if I let my prey or his friends kill me now would I? Hunting humans is the greatest thrill there is, it's not enough to out-fly and out-shoot them, hunting them requires you out-think and out-smart them as well.

Umm, since you can reup you really aren't dying. And since you can't see who the other person is you really aren't hunting someone in the vast sky. What king of tracking skills do you need to fly above someone and wait till they aren't looking. Plus out flying someone is out thinking them.

If you want true hunting, personally I likened the old tiger town to the thrill of the hunt. You could hide, wait and set yourself up in the right spot for the kill. You could actually chase one guy over and over. I loved tracking tanks for 20 or 30 seconds waiting for closure and the right firing moment. It sucks now because no one goes into the cities anymore they all sit outside and just shoot it out.

Like I said, it's cool, that is your game, I am glad you get your enjoyment out of it. I am a different kind of animal and get my kicks a different way.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #284 on:** September 12, 2005, 01:33:24 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01
Umm, since you can reup you really aren't dying. And since you can't see who the other person is you really aren't hunting someone in the vast sky. What king of tracking skills do you need to fly above someone and wait till they aren't looking. Plus out flying someone is out thinking them.

You're assuming a hunter has to be high and the prey doesn't see him, that wouldn't be a very thrilling hunt. You don't hunt specific persons just red guys in general, no tracking required, we have radar.

Zazen