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Yeager · « **Reply #75 on:** September 08, 2005, 09:11:24 AM »

Getting there 5 days late is a shameless photo op and probably spin control. Getting there right away to tell the people they haven't been abandonded is leadership.
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wouldn't have changed a single fact on the ground and you "still" would have found "something" to "complain" about.

face it, bush is simply doing what bush does and if the liberal socialist democrats aren't careful about who they select to take the leadership role in the next election they will get themsevles another bush elected to the presidency.

Gunthr · « **Reply #76 on:** September 08, 2005, 10:12:47 AM »

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Getting there 5 days late is a shameless photo op and probably spin control. Getting there right away to tell the people they haven't been abandonded is leadership. MT

MT, are you sure that you don't visit the progressive blogs? I admit that I read them occasionally, and I'm conservative. Your rhetoric sounds supiciously like the kind of thing you read on those whaco sites.

I infer from your comment that you feel that the President showing up in person immediately after the hurricane is more important than local and state gov't showing leadership by evacuating people in the city and actually saving thousands of lives? It was their statutory responsibility! Yet you go on about Bush "not getting there" right away? Why?

I can only conclude that you spout the progressive talking points...

midnight Target · « **Reply #77 on:** September 08, 2005, 10:51:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Gunthr
MT, are you sure that you don't visit the progressive blogs? I admit that I read them occasionally, and I'm conservative. Your rhetoric sounds supiciously like the kind of thing you read on those whaco sites.

I infer from your comment that you feel that the President showing up in person immediately after the hurricane is more important than local and state gov't showing leadership by evacuating people in the city and actually saving thousands of lives? It was their statutory responsibility! Yet you go on about Bush "not getting there" right away? Why?

I can only conclude that you spout the progressive talking points...

I promise I don't visit any blogs.

Why would you assume that I think one thing is more important than the other? They are not mutually exclusive. I think Bush failed in terms of his leadership in a crisis. I think Bush's appointees in FEMA and Homeland Security failed in the same way. What point is made by saying "ya but what about these guys"?

You ever get out of a speeding ticket by pointing out other speeders? Me either.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #78 on:** September 08, 2005, 11:08:54 AM »

The President does not have primary responsibility for anything related to a natural disaster in a state.

Primary responsibility lies with the local, state, and then the federal government officials (in that order). The Federal government has no rights, at all, to interfere with the state, unless the state formally requests help.

In a nutshell, that is how it all works. Pinning the blame for whatever failure there was on the President, is akin to blaming the guy who made the match, who sold it to the store, who sold it to the arsonist, who started the fire.

If you are so desparate to find blame, then at least blame the source of the failures in leadership, if any.

Gunthr · « **Reply #79 on:** September 08, 2005, 11:28:52 AM »

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Why would you assume that I think one thing is more important than the other? MT

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Getting there 5 days late is a shameless photo op and probably spin control. Getting there right away to tell the people they haven't been abandonded is leadership.

prima fascie evidence that you believe the President not visiting NO right away is more important is the fact that you carp on the President for not visiting immediately and omit any mention of the irresponsibility of local and state government's lack of leadership which directly caused the deaths of thousands.

If you've acknowledged this on this BB, I apologise. If you haven't, I think I've made my point.

It appears to me that the reason you omit any mention of the irresponsibility and lack of leadership exhibited by the state and local gov't, is that it doesn't fit your progressive talking points.

BTW - FEMA has never been a first responder to disasters that I'm aware of. I've been involved in several hurricanes in Florida, including Andrew, and its the city, county and state agencies that are first responders. FEMA always shows up days later, taking $ claims, providing monies, and generally supporting activities of local government. All this will come out in the review of the Katrina response.

SaburoS · « **Reply #80 on:** September 08, 2005, 12:51:26 PM »

Post Katrina Era?

Gunthr · « **Reply #81 on:** September 08, 2005, 01:06:19 PM »

I agree with the author that FEMA should not have been demoted from Cabinet level and gotten buried in Homeland Security.

But I note that the author attributes this to a lack of empathy or concern by Republicans. Plenty of Democrats voted for this demotion, including Hillary Cllinton.

Bush has already gone on record as saying that FEMA will again become a Cabinet level agency.

Silat · « **Reply #82 on:** September 08, 2005, 01:11:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Iceman24

And for all of you people that are bring up Bill Clinton please don't, that guy is the biggest joke in American history, the whole reason our economy was so messed up during Bush's 1st 4 years was because he was cleaning up Clintons dealings with all the big IPO's, Clinton just did a real quick fix with the economy while he was president. Lets also remember that when Bill and Hillary were outed by Bush, they stole all the silverware and plates and even bed sheets, can you say jerkoff lol

Please actually look up the facts before you post. Rightwing lies and talking points are not facts.
Please post where the silverware and plates story is verified? I ask you to do this already knowing that it isnt true.

Silat · « **Reply #83 on:** September 08, 2005, 01:21:09 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
When did I say call off the relief effort? If you think sending Mr. Brown back to Washington will hamper the relief effort I have some nice waterfront property on Lake Muroc to sell you.

If you read my posts I did mention New Orleans and Louisiana. I just like to shine the spotlight where it will make the biggest cockroaches run..... politically speaking.

MT dont forget that the right pompom boys dont want any accountability unless its a Dem. Dont ever ask questions and certainly dont even suggest that this admin is responsible for anything.

Now is the time to ask questions.
But I smell Medals of Freedom for all...........

Silat · « **Reply #84 on:** September 08, 2005, 01:24:19 PM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Hurricane_Katrina

Skuzzy · « **Reply #85 on:** September 08, 2005, 02:17:18 PM »

Well, apparently there are those who simply do not care about how things really work and are simply happy to live in ignorance.

This thread has now become nothing more than an insult to those who do know how things work, and could care less about political bigotry being forced upon them.

If you want to spew political bigotry, find another board to do so. I am sure there are plenty of people out there who would bite on this, hook, line, and sucker.