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Offline midnight Target

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« on: September 06, 2005, 08:16:36 AM »
The common defense"

From What? Isn't one of the main reasons for a Federal government to provide a means to protect the people? Shouldn't we expect at least competent response from our Federal govt. in times of crisis? Is the Department of Homeland Security just there to respond to terrorist attacks?

We were promised in the aftermath of 9-11 that our Govt' would improve the command and control, communications and disaster response mechanisms so that the "common defense" would be provided for in a fashion that was better than before.  It didn't happen.

The investigation needs to start NOW, while the horror is still fresh and the bodies are still being collected.

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« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2005, 08:50:41 AM »
Dude! Iraq is about to sign its first Constitution!
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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2005, 08:57:12 AM »
feds can't step in until asked to by the state

please describe in 100 words or less, exactly how you would have handled this disaster better?
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2005, 09:15:29 AM »
You want to pay more taxes for an even bigger government?

Wouldn't you be better off just buying insurance?

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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2005, 09:15:39 AM »
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Originally posted by midnight Target
The common defense"

From What? Isn't one of the main reasons for a Federal government to provide a means to protect the people? Shouldn't we expect at least competent response from our Federal govt. in times of crisis? Is the Department of Homeland Security just there to respond to terrorist attacks?

We were promised in the aftermath of 9-11 that our Govt' would improve the command and control, communications and disaster response mechanisms so that the "common defense" would be provided for in a fashion that was better than before.  It didn't happen.

The investigation needs to start NOW, while the horror is still fresh and the bodies are still being collected.


You might want to research what measures Blanco took on the Saturday before...
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Behind the scenes, a power struggle emerged, as federal officials tried to wrest authority from Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D). Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the state's emergency operations center said Saturday.

The administration sought unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law. Some officials in the state suspected a political motive behind the request. "Quite frankly, if they'd been able to pull off taking it away from the locals, they then could have blamed everything on the locals," said the source, who does not have the authority to speak publicly.

A senior administration official said that Bush has clear legal authority to federalize National Guard units to quell civil disturbances under the Insurrection Act and will continue to try to unify the chains of command that are split among the president, the Louisiana governor and the New Orleans mayor.

Louisiana did not reach out to a multi-state mutual aid compact for assistance until Wednesday, three state and federal officials said. As of Saturday, Blanco still had not declared a state of emergency, the senior Bush official said.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680_pf.html

Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2005, 09:32:11 AM »
But if you decide to question democrats of their co-failure in this tragic event, careful, because  they will punch you! Even if you are the President![/b]:huh :eek:

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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2005, 09:39:05 AM »
Senator Mary Landrieu is an idiot.  Is this the Senator that was complaining about only having one crane working to fix the floodwall?

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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2005, 09:40:44 AM »
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Senator Mary Landrieu is an idiot.  Is this the Senator that was complaining about only having one crane working to fix the floodwall?
Yes, and there was only ROOM ENOUGH for one on that Levee wall. She Daddy is the Mayor of NO (D).

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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2005, 09:49:28 AM »
go git em tahgut :rofl
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2005, 11:07:46 AM »
Oh come on!

Attacking an idiotic Senator makes it all OK?

The President expressed surprise at the squalor in the Superdome THREE DAYS after the hurricane. Was he too busy clearing brush at the ranch?

There is no excuse for the poor response to this disaster.
FEMA failed, Homeland Security failed, Louisiana failed and New Orleans failed.  Two of those 4 entities answer to President Bush. When is he gonna stop trying to spin failures into successes and actually do something?


WMD's? No we didn't really attack because of WMD's!
Bin Laden? He's not that important!
FEMA? Isn't that a bone in your leg?

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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2005, 11:41:12 AM »
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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2005, 12:27:05 PM »
Governments at all levels failed," Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, said at the Capitol. She announced that the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee (search) would hold hearings, adding, "It is difficult to understand the lack of preparedness and the ineffective initial response to a disaster that had been predicted for years, and for which specific, dire warnings had been given for days."

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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2005, 12:33:40 PM »
It continues to amaze me that in this country so many people are so completely ignorant of the structure of our governmental systems in these United States. Many posts on this BBS just re-enforce that opinion.

These same people would never agree to live under a federal dictatorship yet at times like these this is exactly what they call for.

It's a simple equation, if you want one man to blame then you must give one man the power.

It is evident for anyone with eyes to see that is not blinded by their ideology that the local authorities were grossly unprepared for this event. Anyone who lives, as I do, in a hurricane zone knows this.

The CYA machine is in full swing to cover one more liberal/democrat administrations major Screw Up!

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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2005, 12:48:17 PM »
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Hmm, you must be one 'o dem libruls that like to point fingahs.

You were saying something about "moral ethics"?
Yeah Rip, no finger pointing by you, ever
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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2005, 12:48:55 PM »
When is he gonna stop trying to spin failures into successes and actually do something?
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is the glass half empty or half full?

It would have been better to have the full might of the military fueled and ready to go a few hours after the storm hit but thats being unrealistic and a bit ignorant.  It took three weeks to get the machine started on Afganistan after 9/11

Three days aint too bad.

Cheer up and do something useful
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