Author Topic: For those who think taxation is about soaking the rich...  (Read 1740 times)

Offline Jackal1

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 9092
For those who think taxation is about soaking the rich...
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2005, 06:36:20 PM »
We got into a similar situation at one point.
  When the letters started taking a threatening tone in the form of confiscation, etc. I took some advice from someone in the know.
  I started doing the exact same thing that they were doing to us. I bombarded them with letters, questions, proposals and so on. If you will notice when you send the IRS a letter or try to get a call through pertaining to a situation like this that you will rarely receive a reply from the same dept. They shuffle problems like dominoes. :)
  It took very little time to get the right hand into not knowing what the left hand was doing and we started receiving diferent options and proposals from about four or five different places. I saved all of them. :)
 At that point i requested a face to face meeting with them.
  I took all of the letters and propsals in, layed them in front of the IRS rep and told him "You figure it out".
  After about an hour of confusion he broke out a calculator and went into action.
  He came up with a monthly figure that was to be paid. I said "Nope, unacceptable". he looked like someone had just hit him with a handfull of cockleburs. :)
 He asked what I meant by unacceptable. I explained that I fully intended for my family to have a roof over their head, clothes on their back and food in their stomach and that with the figure he had came up with this was impossible. He said "Sorry, that`s what has to be paid monthly"  We were in a conference room in a justice center right below the jail. I told him "Nope, not gonna happen. You can call a deputy down now and we can get the ball rolling". He had a blank look on his face and came out with a "Huh?"
  I told him I could set out the time for the penalty and in the meantime my wife and kids could survive in an acceptable manner. I explained that I had no intentions of working my rear off, giving the majority of money to them while my family suffered, especialy since the most of the amounts were in penalties.
  Before the meeting was over he had knocked off about 75 to 80 % of the penalties and came up with a figure that was reasonable.
  I asked him to send tax forms for one year that had to be refigured. Imagine that. They had made a huge mistake on the year in question and actualy owed me money for the year. He said that he couldn`t get the tax forms, that I could get them at the library. I told him no, the library only kept forms for two years.
 I then told him that I would like him to help go over the figures for that year.
He then told me that he wasn`t allowed to because he was only qualified to figure an EZ form. :)
  Fight back and get things reasonable bud.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2005, 06:39:40 PM by Jackal1 »
Democracy is two wolves deciding on what to eat. Freedom is a well armed sheep protesting the vote.
------------------------------------------------------------------

Offline Maverick

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13958
For those who think taxation is about soaking the rich...
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2005, 08:57:09 PM »
Seagoon,

I will cover the next year of AH for you. Send me an e-mail.
DEFINITION OF A VETERAN
A Veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard or reserve - is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a check made payable to "The United States of America", for an amount of "up to and including my life."
Author Unknown

Offline SOB

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10138
For those who think taxation is about soaking the rich...
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2005, 09:01:17 PM »
Yeah, that pretty much stinks.  Ya can't really blame the government for your ignorance of the tax system, but the capital gains tax nonsense is hardly something that the average joe would know without looking into it.  The suprising thing is that Sun didn't spell this out to your wife in big bold letters...I know ThrustMaster did when they were giving out employee stock options.

And yeah, Capital Gains tax is a big load of garbage.  I think the idea is that it'll pull more money out of the pockets of the rich.  It doesn't really work out that way though, and even if it did, it'd still be garbage.  Punishing people for being more successful is just asinine.
Three Times One Minus One.  Dayum!

Offline soda72

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5201
For those who think taxation is about soaking the rich...
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2005, 09:03:50 PM »
Deleted.

5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2005, 09:09:28 PM by MP8 »

Offline Sandman

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17620
For those who think taxation is about soaking the rich...
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2005, 09:05:16 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Maverick
Seagoon,

I will cover the next year of AH for you. Send me an e-mail.


Damn... that's a good idea... Can I buy in for a share of that?
sand

Offline Maverick

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13958
For those who think taxation is about soaking the rich...
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2005, 09:16:36 PM »
Sandy, tell me how much you want to cover and it's a done deal. ;)

Some of us are in the habit of taking care of our own ya know and Seagoon is a good egg. His wife makes great sweedish meat balls too!
DEFINITION OF A VETERAN
A Veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard or reserve - is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a check made payable to "The United States of America", for an amount of "up to and including my life."
Author Unknown

Offline Seagoon

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2396
      • http://www.providencepca.com
For those who think taxation is about soaking the rich...
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2005, 09:42:11 PM »
Mav et al,

An offer of one month would have been more than I deserve, and I am really not worthy at all of having an entire year of AH2 paid for, although I sincerely appreciate that thought. I'm truly touched and thankful for the gracious way you've responded.

I'm sort of at a loss for words, when I can come up with a better way of saying thanks(!) I'll post it. This week has been something of an emotional wringer for me,    but the kind messages you guys have posted and willingness to help are a huge boost.

- SEAGOON
SEAGOON aka Pastor Andy Webb
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion... Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams

Offline Toad

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18415
For those who think taxation is about soaking the rich...
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2005, 09:44:47 PM »
Mav, Sandy.... I'm in for a piece of that.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

Offline Maverick

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13958
For those who think taxation is about soaking the rich...
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2005, 09:48:26 PM »
Seagoon,

Every once in a while those who provide help for others and are the care givers get in a position of needing a hand themselves. Now don't be a tard and say you don't deserve help. :huh
DEFINITION OF A VETERAN
A Veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard or reserve - is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a check made payable to "The United States of America", for an amount of "up to and including my life."
Author Unknown

Offline Sandman

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17620
For those who think taxation is about soaking the rich...
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2005, 10:16:15 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Maverick
Sandy, tell me how much you want to cover and it's a done deal. ;)

Some of us are in the habit of taking care of our own ya know and Seagoon is a good egg. His wife makes great sweedish meat balls too!


Toad said he's in also... give me an equal share for the year... what's that... $60?
sand

Offline Eagler

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18765
For those who think taxation is about soaking the rich...
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2005, 10:29:13 PM »
Seagoon
Can't do anything about your taxes but just informed HTC to charge my AH account for two months of yours.
You need the escape provided by this game in times of stress
best of luck with the IRS
"Masters of the Air" Scenario - JG27


Intel Core i7-13700KF | GIGABYTE Z790 AORUS Elite AX | 64GB G.Skill DDR5 | 16GB GIGABYTE RTX 4070 Ti Super | 850 watt ps | pimax Crystal Light | Warthog stick | TM1600 throttle | VKB Mk.V Rudder

Offline straffo

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10029
For those who think taxation is about soaking the rich...
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2005, 11:49:43 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Seagoon
Our Income Taxes were indeed lowered when my income was taken out of the picture, but over here in the US we have something called a "Capital Gains Tax" which means that when you convert an asset into cash, you are taxed by the Government at 28% regardless of your income. Additionally we paid a State Capital gains tax of around 3% and then a local county tax (if you can believe it).


Im' not sure to understand it's  28% on the income or 28% of the gain ?

Example :
you earn 1000$ you sell for 50$ stock you paid 40$ 5 year before.
Is the 28% on the whole 1050$ or the 10$ of gain ?
tax on the 10$ sound logical.

Offline Sparks

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 804
For those who think taxation is about soaking the rich...
« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2005, 12:13:25 AM »
Toad, Sandy, Mav, I'm in as well if I can. PM me details or I'll try to mail.

Seagoon I know your pain. I have been in that place and the desparation and depression it causes is unbeliveable to anyone who hasn't been there.  It helped finish my marriage.  You and your wife need to lean on each other and take time out from it - that's why I think it is important to have an outlet for a short while. Pity we vcan't help you both.

We are trying to protect my mothers potential estate after clearing up my fathers estate - death duty here is 40% of everything over 250,000. And you don't get the money until the tax is paid.

Give Curval a call - he can probably help.  You have people on your side - even Aetheists :D

Offline SOB

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10138
For those who think taxation is about soaking the rich...
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2005, 12:27:42 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by straffo
Im' not sure to understand it's  28% on the income or 28% of the gain ?

Example :
you earn 1000$ you sell for 50$ stock you paid 40$ 5 year before.
Is the 28% on the whole 1050$ or the 10$ of gain ?
tax on the 10$ sound logical.

It'd be 28% on the $10.  The problem with stock options, is that the person generally doesn't own any stock, they're just options.  They don't purchase the stock until they are going to sell it, therefor, it's pure profit for them, and 100% of that profit is taxed at the capital gains rate.  It's a gain because your option entitles you to buy the stock at x price, regardless of how much the stock is actually trading for...well, if the stock is trading for a greater amount than the option price, anyhow. :)

The extra stab in the kiester arises, or arose especially in the high tech boom, where people who took lesser salaries, at the promise of stock options to boost the return for their work.  The feds don't consider this to be a paycheck, but rather a profit on an investment, and tax it as such.
Three Times One Minus One.  Dayum!

Offline Xargos

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4281
For those who think taxation is about soaking the rich...
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2005, 12:35:49 AM »
Tax laws a writen to keep the working class down.

I'm sorry to hear of you problems Seagoon, wish there was someting I could do to help.
Jeffery R."Xargos" Ward

"At least I have chicken." 
Member DFC