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For those who think taxation is about soaking the rich...
« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2005, 12:50:44 AM »
seagoon going round and round with the IRS can be fun, been there done that and we won, but not without help.  it can be done inexpensively too.  try this site http://www.taxhelponline.com or 1-800-34-NO-TAX.  this is Daniel Pilla's site.  he is christian btw.  best of luck with this issue I kept frau storch out of the loop because she would have gladly sent them all they asked for to remove the threat.  once you start bombarding them with the proper forms and a well thought out strategy they back the flock up.  it was the most challenging exciting fight of my life and I kinda miss it a bit.  way better than hunting or fishing or even AH.

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« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2005, 02:33:16 AM »
The capital gains tax enables the IRS to tax the people who are so rich that they do not have to raise salary at all (at least officially). Without the tax it would be extremely easy to skip paying any kind of tax whatsoever just by borrowing a huge amount of money, making investments and paying off the bank interests with what should normally go to taxes.

Even better if you didn't need to borrow and owned a lot already.

Of course the law is not perfect and the truly rich use lawyers to figure out how to skip most of the taxes. But at least it forces them to employ the lawyers. :lol

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« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2005, 03:02:15 AM »
Sorry Seagoon but the road to hell is paved with good intentions and no good deed goes unpunished, far as trying to do things the right way.  Guess you learned your lesson the hard way.

The world is not fair.  God works in mysterious ways but don't harden your heart to the present situation.  You chose to do what you do and gave up a computer job that payed well.  There is no one to blame but yourself if money is a problem.  

The reason you decided to be a pastor is probably along the same philosophy I had to become an artist.  It wasn't for the money but for an ideal.  Something that had to be, your reason for existence.  Something that only you could do, and your reason was justified and in service to God and man.

The tough part is you can't just change jobs when things aren't fun anymore, because it is a mission from God.  That's one reason I never married.  27 years of an income under $6 to 7K has just about run me ragged, and yes I have to pay taxes.  Self employment taxes around $400.  That's a big chunk of about $1200 profit for an entire year.

If anyone should be complaining it should be me, but what I do only I can do, and so far I have survived and done well through my parent's help, but complaining doesn't help.  I'm almost 50 years old.   I thank God I have been able to continue long as I have, for 27 years.  I am proud of my work and have spent all that time learning how to do it.

Please be patient, it will get better.   Count your blessings mate.

Anyhow, that's my rant.  It's not professional to rant but we're among friends.  One day I'll make a decent income through plenty of suffering and hard work.  This is reality.  The good thing about it is I'm not in debt and own everything I have for the time being.




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« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2005, 04:27:49 AM »
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income under $6 to 7K


Monthly income?

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« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2005, 04:40:14 AM »
Lol Siaf, unfortunately not but it would be a good thing.  Cheers.:)



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« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2005, 04:41:44 AM »
My weekly income for the past 3 years is about $100 per week.




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« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2005, 04:53:14 AM »
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My weekly income for the past 3 years is about $100 per week.




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Are you a student? If so than its not that bad.

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« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2005, 05:09:47 AM »
I'm a professional gambler, as an artist of course.  All my work is done on speculation.  I do the work and then have to sell it to make an income.

I have a BA in Spanish from Auburn University.  So there's no excuse for me.  It is my choice to attempt to make a living from my art.  Might have been a mistake financially, but I don't feel it has been a wasted life.:)



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« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2005, 05:22:23 AM »
If it makes you happy it aint wrong Les.

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« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2005, 08:22:39 AM »
Seagoon... My girlfriend lives on about 13 bucks an hour... the federal and state have been taking money from her for 4 years in penalties and interest and she owes em about the same as she owed 4 years ago.

If a credit card company charged the kind of penalties and interest that the government does.... no... if they charged half that... they would be imprisoned under loansharking laws.

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« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2005, 08:34:18 AM »
Seagoon,
All my sympathies go out to you and your family in your present situation.  I may get in a lot of trouble for what i'm about to say but I mean you no disrespect. my father was a minister for several years I never did understand organized religion, nor do I think I ever will.  I have lived in several manses I will say this they are very nice, large an opulent.  It was always very confusing to me here we were trying to help the poor and disenfranchised having taken some kind of pledge of poverty, yet we were living on a large estate, I have never quite been able to understand this.  Without getting into it too deeply I just don't believe in organized religion, however I will say this I have seen my father preside over baptisms, marriages, funerals and comfort people on there deathbed all services that were appreciated beyond words. I don't know how to explain it but somehow the system gets all distorted and twisted it never seems to work as people think it does.  When I was still very young my father gave up the ministry, although we lived in a large beautiful home, I don't believe that he thought he was being paid enough to put his children through college so he joined the real world.  Like I was saying "twisted" lots of money and assets but they don't seem to spend it on the people.
Well after that little prelude i'll try to be as gentle as possible.  I don't understand why you left a good job to go into the seminary.  I certainly applaud your efforts to help other people if that's the reason why you join the seminary.  I don't believe that you needed to spend 30 K or join the seminary to help other people.  I believe organized religion to be as inept and corrupt as government. As we've seen recently sometimes organized religion can be downright evil.  I guess I'll just come right out and say it you should have taken care of your family first and saved the religious nonsense for your free time, then you would not have found yourself in the spot you are now.  Well I'm kind of sorry for saying that but I just dont understand why people feel the need to sacrifice themselves and the ones around them for some kind of religious baloney.  Where is your God? Why hasn't he come to help you? You have devoted yourself to him and what have you gotten in return? If there is a God, then explain this, why is it young innocent children suffer and die? Every time i ask that question I always get some kind of answer that makes no sense or seems like some kind of lame excuse.  By the way am i going to hell? Well I guess I've gone too far really I wish you no disrespect it just seems that you've gotten yourself into a bad spot for what seems to me to be just silly. To tell the truth you really shouldn't be in this spot it's more the fault of government than anything else.
OK so I've been ranting  stuff like this really winds my clock.  Here's some of my suggestions to try and help you out of your current situation.  Have you tried the resources of your seminary school? I don't know what religious organizations you are affiliated with but I do know that even Christians hire good Jewish lawyers now that's funny.  What I mean is the regional, National and international religious organizations keep on retainer or in their employ some very good accountants and lawyers.  For instance I know my father's organization the Protestants offer several services to their pastors everything from counseling to low-interest loans.  For many years my father had a Sears credit-card that said Reverend on it and he always got a standard 20% discount on anything he bought, I always thought that was kind of funny.  Sears has since discontinued that practice many years ago.  It seems to me that somebody such as yourself should be able to find some kind of helps somewhere without the personal expense of hiring your own lawyer. Perhaps there is someone in your own congregation who can help you.
Well I hope you won't hold my words against me it just happens to be that I personally believe organized religion is just, well silly.  I'm sure you and your family will find some kind of solution.  If I were you I would use the resources and power of my religious affiliation.
Good luck to you.

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« Reply #41 on: September 07, 2005, 09:13:51 AM »
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Seagoon
Can't do anything about your taxes but just informed HTC to charge my AH account for two months of yours.
You need the escape provided by this game in times of stress
best of luck with the IRS


Eagler.
You never cease to amaze me. You are one class act.

It will get better Seagoon. Everything passes eventually. hang in there.:)

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« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2005, 09:37:48 AM »
Mav, Toad, Sparks... I called Carrie (HTC) and purchased three months.
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« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2005, 09:45:40 AM »
Eagler and Sandy. Outstandig :aok

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« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2005, 09:57:33 AM »
:aok :aok

Pretty good community we have here:)

Mav, Toad, Eagler, Sparks and Sandy.

Seagoon, we all get back what we give. It's a truth. and good luck to you sir.

cheers,
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