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Offline bj229r

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« on: September 07, 2005, 09:50:22 PM »
http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/09/04/katrina-response-timeline/

(Following is Wed., 1 day after levee broke)
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Governor Blanco issues an Executive Order allowing the National Guard to seize school busses in order to help in the evacuation

National Guard spokesman Lt. Col. Pete Schneider, said the order, signed by Gov. Kathleen Blanco late Wednesday, means “we are going to take the buses. We need to get people out of New Orleans.. . . .Either they will give them up or we will take them.’’ It is unclear whether the Governor is referring to the hundreds of school busses in a New Orleans city parking lot 1.2 miles from the Superdome that contained 255 busses, all underwater. She was also procuring busses from around the state. In an press conference the next day, General Honore says that busses from FEMA have also arrived. (HT: Tony & Junkyard Blog) Revised 9/6
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Mayor Nagin explodes on live radio, railing against federal relief efforts. If you’ve come this far with me, all I ask is that you read his comments and compare them to what has been reported in this timeline previously.

“You know the reason why the looters got out of control?” Nagin said. “We have most of our resources saving people. They were stuck in attics, man, old ladies. You pull off the doggone ventilator and look down and they’re standing there in water up to their fricking neck.”

“I need reinforcements,” he said. “I need troops, man. I need 500 buses.”

The relief efforts made so far had been pathetically insufficient, Nagin said.

“They’re thinking small, man, and this is a major, MAJOR deal,” Nagin said. “God is looking down on this and if they are not doing everything in their power to save people, they are going to pay the price. Every day that we delay, people are dying, and they’re dying by the hundreds, I’m willing to bet you.”

Rolling now, Nagin described distress calls he’d heard. Nagin mocked the efforts to block the 17th Street
Canal breach.

“I flew over that thing yesterday and it was in the same shape it was in after the storm hit,” he said.
“There is nothing happening there. They’re feeding the public a line of bull and they’re spinning and people are dying down here.” (HT: Ghosty) Revised 9/6 – moved from Friday to Thursday.

In an interview with Paula Zahn, FEMA Director Brown says he just heard about people stranded at the convention center “a few hours ago.” Revised 9/6




(remember Senator Landreu belittling the one puny crane at the break site, from the helicoptor?)

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President Bush visits New Orleans, taking a helicopter tour with Mayor Nagin. According to the Mayor Bush tells him that “he [the President] was fully committed to getting us the resources we need,” Nagin said in the tattered Hyatt hotel next to the Superdome. “I told him I knew we could work together, and he said he understood.”

In an interview with CNN on 9/5, Mayor Nagin says that Governor Blanco resisted a request from the Federal government to nationalize the relief effort when meeting with President Bush aboard Air Force I. Blanco is reported to have asked for 24 hours to “think about it.” (HT: Sue Hanley) Revised 9/6

In a special briefing on efforts to repair the damaged levees carried out by Lieutenant General Carl Strock, Commander, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, and Chief of Engineers, the General summarized the difficulties he was experiencing in closing the breaches, including the difficulty in reaching the site of the breach by land (land ops couldn’t start until a causeway was built), by water (bridges couldn’t be raised to allow for the huge cranes to pass), and air (helicopters were being used to rescue people). Revised 9/7





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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2005, 10:06:03 PM »
Help me out here.
What`s fascinating?
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2005, 10:19:53 PM »
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Help me out here.
What`s fascinating?


that the federal govt is being blamed for this.

that it is once again all Bush's fault.

That a democrat run state and a democrat run city that has a population living below the poverty line 16% above average.....

It's the federal govt fault.

In addition Today the Mayor of NO ordered the mandatory evacuation of NO.

The Govener said she didn't agree.

These two can't seem to find their own tulips useing both hands, a flashlight, and a map.

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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2005, 10:31:26 PM »
in addition it was reported today that there is a "gag" order in place at the pentagon and the Guard as far as any information about when they deployed, under who's authority, and who requested them.

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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2005, 10:46:34 PM »
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in addition it was reported today that there is a "gag" order in place at the pentagon and the Guard as far as any information about when they deployed, under who's authority, and who requested them.



Why do you think a gag order was put in place?

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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2005, 12:32:18 AM »
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Why do you think a gag order was put in place?


not sure, it could go either way politically.  Or it could be the pentagons way of saying stay out of our business and wait for the hearing.

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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2005, 01:23:59 AM »
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Originally posted by Gunslinger

These two can't seem to find their own tulips useing both hands, a flashlight, and a map.


In Georgia, the people point west towards Alabama and say, "Those people are idots."

In Alabama, they point towards Mississippi and say the same thing.

I haven't been to Mississippi in a long time, but I expect that they point to Louisiana.

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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2005, 01:30:59 AM »
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
that the federal govt is being blamed for this.

that it is once again all Bush's fault.

That a democrat run state and a democrat run city that has a population living below the poverty line 16% above average.....

It's the federal govt fault.

In addition Today the Mayor of NO ordered the mandatory evacuation of NO.

The Govener said she didn't agree.

These two can't seem to find their own tulips useing both hands, a flashlight, and a map.


  Yea, yea, but that has been beaten into the fround 24 hours a day. I thought maybe there was something new in there I was missing.
  Everyone knows Bush ordered the CIA to test the new hurricane , levee busting weapon. :)
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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2005, 01:40:52 AM »
Those buses were just sitting there, dam. And now Blanco and the mayor cannot agree. Incompetence? Overall I think the blame can go all the way up. I mean they knew about the hurricane. Hurricane or terrorist attack, it all boils down to the same basic essential thing. Protecting the people. Whats the difference between a terrorist  attack or an attack from nature?

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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2005, 10:03:57 AM »
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not sure, it could go either way politically.  Or it could be the pentagons way of saying stay out of our business and wait for the hearing.



Yeah, I guess it would depend on exactly who put the gag order in place.

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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2005, 10:10:40 AM »
I found a picture of all the drivers that were available to handle those busses!



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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2005, 03:52:54 PM »
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I found a picture of all the drivers that were available to handle those busses!




That was part of the Mayors initial evacuation plan! ;)

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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2005, 05:00:13 PM »
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I found a picture of all the drivers that were available to handle those busses!
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Yeah, it's not like just ANYBODY could drive a school bus out of N.O. to Houston or something!

Storm Victims Steal School Buses To Flee New Orleans

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An 18-year-old also decided to take matters into his own hands and stole an abandoned city school bus and drove storm victims to Texas, according to a CNN report.

The teen driver, Jabbar Gibson, 18, said he had never driven a bus before but wanted to save people.
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It does not suprise me that an 18 year old was able to think faster and more effectively than Mr. Mayor.
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« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2005, 06:32:41 PM »
So let me see if I understand you. On the Sat or Sun before the hurricane hit as the mayor you would have simply called for volunteers and handed the keys over to the first 500+ strangers that showed up? And if they said they never drove one before you would have shrugged it off and said "Have fun, knock yourself out! Why it's just like a go-cart, only bigger. Anyone can do it!

lol.  sure thing.

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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2005, 06:49:10 PM »
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So let me see if I understand you. On the Sat or Sun before the hurricane hit as the mayor you would have simply called for volunteers and handed the keys over to the first 500+ strangers that showed up? And if they said they never drove one before you would have shrugged it off and said "Have fun, knock yourself out! Why it's just like a go-cart, only bigger. Anyone can do it!

lol.  sure thing.


no but he could have had some city workers or even ASKED for volunteers to drive them.  Or even better he could have pre-positioned them to higher ground