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Offline Crumpp

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« Reply #60 on: September 24, 2005, 11:56:49 AM »
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157 Squadrons, Mosquito - a BC unit - Mk XVII


157 Squadron is famous Milo for downing 20 V-1's in a week.  Flying Mosquitos.

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« Reply #61 on: September 24, 2005, 12:00:45 PM »
So only one of the units you claimed as 2TAF was really a 2TAF unit.

And then not for long 306 transfered to ADGB.

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« Reply #62 on: September 24, 2005, 12:03:11 PM »
Crump what was Operation Diver.

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« Last Edit: September 24, 2005, 12:21:50 PM by Neil Stirling1 »

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« Reply #63 on: September 24, 2005, 12:04:11 PM »
Neil,


So he does not remember equals it did not happen?

And your using this to attack my crediability?

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« Reply #64 on: September 24, 2005, 12:20:17 PM »
And your using this to attack my crediability

Using a seconhand account from a book and applying it to British aircraft despite this.





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« Reply #65 on: September 24, 2005, 12:21:17 PM »
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Originally posted by Crumpp
157 Squadron is famous Milo for downing 20 V-1's in a week.  Flying Mosquitos.

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:rolleyes: You claimed this unit, as well as 85 and 96, were in 2cd Tactical Air Force when they were clearly NOT.

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The only units I have found that one can point a finger too and say beyond a shadow of a doubt the fuel was used consistantly, is the Operation Diver units. Those units belonged to the 2nd TAF.

That they flew anti-Diver missions I am not questioning.

Nice edit job, without saying what was edited, after been shown your error.:eek:
« Last Edit: September 24, 2005, 12:25:20 PM by MiloMorai »

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« Reply #66 on: September 24, 2005, 12:23:26 PM »
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Neils says:
So only one of the units you claimed as 2TAF was really a 2TAF unit.


Come on Neil.

I saw your post before you edited it.

OK then I will answer it.

What was the Air Defense Great Britain doing?

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By now Fighter Command had been renamed Air Defence of Great Britain (ADGB) and the three days grace enabled fighter aircraft, heavy and light antiaircraft guns, a balloon barrage, and radar stations to be redeployed to meet the robot bombs (by now officially code named "Divers").


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The fighters comprised eleven squadrons (Spitfires, Typhoons and the new Tempests for interceptions during daylight, and Mosquitos for night)


http://www.nzfpm.co.nz/theatres/tow_tied.htm

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« Last Edit: September 24, 2005, 12:29:50 PM by Crumpp »

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« Reply #67 on: September 24, 2005, 12:28:13 PM »
The only units I have found that one can point a finger too and say beyond a shadow of a doubt the fuel was used consistantly, is the Operation Diver units. Those units belonged to the 2nd TAF

Wrong, Operation Diver= ADGB

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« Last Edit: September 24, 2005, 12:32:26 PM by Neil Stirling1 »

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« Reply #68 on: September 24, 2005, 12:29:11 PM »
I'll repost this for you Milo.  It has already been covered in this thread.

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Numerous RAF Mustang IIIs were diverted to the interception of V-1 "buzz-bombs". Some of them were "souped up" by using a special high-octane fuel and internal engine adjustments in order to increase the intake manifold pressure and made it possible to achieve a speed of 420 mph at 2000 feet. Since the typical V-1 flew at 370 mph, this made the "souped-up" Mustang very useful against these weapons.


The 306th Squadron did have elements included in V1 operations. It does not mean that the 100/150 grade converted Mustangs were used on the escort missions.

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p51_9.html


Breakdown of the 306th:

http://www.rafcommands.currantbun.com/Fighter/306F.html

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« Reply #69 on: September 24, 2005, 12:42:32 PM »
Caught in a false statement Crumpp which you fail to acknowledge.

Since you have trouble understanding what you post, here it is again:

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The only units I have found that one can point a finger too and say beyond a shadow of a doubt the fuel was used consistantly, is the Operation Diver units. Those units belonged to the 2nd TAF.[/u] [/COLOR]
As was pointed only the Polish Mustang unit was in the 2TAF.

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« Reply #70 on: September 24, 2005, 12:43:17 PM »
You forgot 418 Sqn. and 605 Sqn. at the very least, both ADGB.
... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

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« Reply #71 on: September 24, 2005, 12:50:30 PM »
2nd TAF by Shores and Thomas






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« Reply #72 on: September 24, 2005, 12:50:31 PM »
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And your using this to attack my crediability


I am not attacking your credibility at all Neil.

All I am saying is be careful.  

How have you lost any credibility?  You have uncovered a wealth of information on the extent that 100/150 grade was inplace.  They were part of the 2nd TAF.

You have shown:

1.  The fuel was there in the supply quantities needed.

2.  They very much wanted to use it in general use.

As for the 306th Squadron then it is a non-issue.  The Mustangs using 100/150grade fuel were part of Operation Diver and they did go out and hunt Luftwaffe fighters when they could.

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Caught in a false statement Crumpp which you fail to acknowledge.


Maybe I just missed it Milo?  What false statement is that?

ADGB was Fighter Command and borrowed units from the 2nd TAF.  

It's a MACOM.  It's like arguing that the 82nd Airborne Division is not in Forces Command.

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« Last Edit: September 24, 2005, 01:48:34 PM by Crumpp »

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« Reply #73 on: September 24, 2005, 01:15:11 PM »
Since you are blind and have a reading disability I can't help you. :( You even went back and edited your post that had 4 units being in the 2TAF. Stop playing dumb.

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« Reply #74 on: September 24, 2005, 01:20:59 PM »
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Since you are blind and have a reading disability I can't help you.


What are you talking about?

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