Author Topic: And Now From Our What Were They Thinking Department (Read 2993 times)

Chairboy · « **Reply #120 on:** September 17, 2005, 09:03:08 PM »

A bunch of amusing responses, y'all are funny guys!

Widewing, an atheist is someone who does not believe that 'God' exists. In regards to my family, I've got a beautiful wife and two sons. Your point?

Pooh21 · « **Reply #121 on:** September 17, 2005, 09:15:01 PM »

Do you believe in the Saucer Monkeys from Mars then?

midnight Target · « **Reply #122 on:** September 17, 2005, 09:41:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
LOLOLOL Where does the pledge indicate that the God mentioned is that of the Christians? The way it is phrased, the term God is completely nebulous, as it should be.

My regards,

Widewing

I'm sorry but this nebulous god leaves out all of us multideist Druids and Hindus as well as all worshipers of Vacha the wonder pig and her litter of 12.

Regards

Shaky · « **Reply #123 on:** September 17, 2005, 10:03:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Well, "lolololol" right back atcha. My family and I are atheist. Do you understand what that means?

Yup, it means that you and your family have an unshakable faith that nothing exist's beyond this world we see in front of us.

So why should YOU faith have precedence over mine, because lets not mince words, atheism is as much a faith as any other.

Widewing · « **Reply #124 on:** September 17, 2005, 11:05:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
A bunch of amusing responses, y'all are funny guys!

Widewing, an atheist is someone who does not believe that 'God' exists. In regards to my family, I've got a beautiful wife and two sons. Your point?

Thanks, but I'm aware of what an atheist is.

My problem with atheists is the logic they use to support their claim that God doesn't exist. Of course, they actually have less evidence that there is no God than people who do believe in God have. Fervent believers almost always have had some experience that reinforces their faith. It may be a spiritual experience or an actual physical experience. Atheists have no experiences. They base their faith on trying to prove a negative, that something does not exist simply because they haven't seen it.

Have you seen George Washington? No, but I'll wager you believe he existed. To have that belief, you must put your faith in the someone else's experience. Isn't that essentially the same as the various faiths? Believers are, at a bare minmum, trusting in someone else's experiences. To that, they add their own experiences and form the basis of their faith.

Do you believe in spirituality? Do you believe that there are things beyond the comprehension of humans?

My regards,

Widewing

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #125 on:** September 17, 2005, 11:14:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Widewing, an atheist is someone who does not believe that 'God' exists.

Chairboy, someone who does not believe that 'God' exists is an agnostic.

An Atheist is a believer... a believer in the non-existance of God.

An Agnostic is a non-believer.

Chairboy · « **Reply #126 on:** September 17, 2005, 11:28:56 PM »

Whoa! Time to stop this little spiritual intervention in its tracks before y'all get too much of that old time religion.

For a bunch of people professing how reasonable you are and how accepted non-christians are in this country of ours, you sure seem to descend on this poor lil' atheist like a flock of vultures.

Chairboy · « **Reply #127 on:** September 17, 2005, 11:31:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Chairboy, someone who does not believe that 'God' exists is an agnostic.

An Atheist is a believer... a believer in the non-existance of God.

An Agnostic is a non-believer.

You might want to freshen up on your english:

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=agnostic

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=atheist

The agnostic doesn't profess to know whether there is or isn't a God. The atheist believes there is no diety.

Pooh21 · « **Reply #128 on:** September 18, 2005, 12:14:07 AM »

No we are saying you got a faith just like we do. In fact you are one of the bible pounder types of your faith.

Suave · « **Reply #129 on:** September 18, 2005, 12:22:47 AM »

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Originally posted by Shaky

So why should YOU faith have precedence over mine, because lets not mince words, atheism is as much a faith as any other.

I don't think that anyone is aguing that it should be changed to "under no god". That would be just as wrong as the current line of "under god".

Chairboy · « **Reply #130 on:** September 18, 2005, 12:23:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Pooh21
No we are saying you got a faith just like we do. In fact you are one of the bible pounder types of your faith.

Are you getting enough oxygen?

I don't sit here talking about how stupid I may or may not think your religion is, why the sudden attack on my beliefs?

This is a thread about religion in public school. c'mon.

Pooh21 · « **Reply #131 on:** September 18, 2005, 12:31:18 AM »

Indeed I am.

I believe you placed a "kick me" sign on yourself with your " do you know what a (insert anything in here) is?" question

I woulda found something to roast anyone with in any context in that sort of way.From Amoebas to Zoastrans Like you think I am stupid and dont know what (insert anything is in here)means. And to justify and prolong my amusement, I give whatever reason comes to my head.

and *zing!* You admit those are your beliefs!

SaburoS · « **Reply #132 on:** September 18, 2005, 12:52:23 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Except that isn't really happening.

Like the pledge, show me where anyone is forced to pray in a public school.

Show me where Christian Icons are being forced in courts. It was tried in Alabama but was defeated in the courts.

Creationism? Yep, there's folks trying to get that taught in some schools. Not much success, AFAIK.

You won't stop folks from trying to do things they believe in, Christian right, Muslim, Cannabis supporters, Agricultural benefits, welfare.. whatever.

The point is there hasn't been, and imo, won't be much success by the Christian right. But they make a good bugaboo for the left as the ACLU or something else does for the right.

Re-read what I actually said. Show me how

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by those that wish to force (Christian based) prayer, Christian Icons (Ten Commandments statue) in court, and creationism (include ID as well) into tax funded, government run public schools.

as meaning that it is being practised now?

I don't see other groups trying to force as policy their views on our US tax funded, govt-run public schools.

SaburoS · « **Reply #133 on:** September 18, 2005, 01:07:48 AM »

DREDIOCK,

"make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,"

In short, I find the first part very much showing how our founding fathers wanted to not promote religion as political policy.
Had they wanted they could have easily not include that part of it and remove all doubt that they were in favor of the govt promoting religion. Our founding fathers were not that much aware of other religions in the world let alone what influence they might play in American life. They only had Christianity in mind as they didn't want a Church influence as had been the practice in France and Especially England.
Again, I'll state that we're talking semantics when I state "Separation of Church and State".

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So we can only conclude that keeping god or religion entirely out of goverment was never ever the intent of the first ammendment or the writers therof.

No, YOU can conclude that, some others may conclude that, but still some others, and I do not.

SaburoS · « **Reply #134 on:** September 18, 2005, 01:13:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
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An Atheist is a believer... a believer in the non-existance of God.
An Agnostic is a non-believer.

An Atheist believes that there is no supreme being and there never has been divine intervention, nor will there ever be.
No heaven or hell.

An Agnostic believes that a supreme being probably exists, but that supreme being does not have direct influence over our lives.

IIRC