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Offline Toad

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« Reply #75 on: September 16, 2005, 08:28:07 AM »
First, for the "they forced ME to say it crowd", please reference a public school district now that forces anyone to pledge or pray.

Yeah, when we were kids, it was the norm. It isn't now.

I'm open to enlightenment though... show me a public school district where you are currently punished for not pledging or praying.
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« Reply #76 on: September 16, 2005, 08:33:43 AM »
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Listen to you.

World's apologist, excuser, look thattawayer.

No matter what the issue. No matter what it is.




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Incredible. You are the don quixote here. Have always been.



Make up your mind.

Perhaps you haven't read Don Quixote?

I'm not the one mistaking windmills for giants.

Watch out for that theocracy!!!!!!!  Yah... right....


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You are a child of the universe,
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God,
whatever you conceive Him to be,
and whatever your labors and aspirations,
in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams,
it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.
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« Reply #77 on: September 16, 2005, 08:36:47 AM »
You guys know that this has nothing to do with "God" or state sponsored religon or anything..It's about the US hating ACLU and the left over fricken hippies that are just trying to destroy this country one stab at a time.

And alot of you guys are falling for it.
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« Reply #78 on: September 16, 2005, 08:47:52 AM »
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You guys know that this has nothing to do with "God" or state sponsored religon or anything..It's about the US hating ACLU and the left over fricken hippies that are just trying to destroy this country one stab at a time.

And alot of you guys are falling for it.


When they start passing out koolaid, be sure you don't drink it.
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« Reply #79 on: September 16, 2005, 09:11:50 AM »
The ACLU defends your liberties and rights, whether you want them or not.  They don't have to be popular to be effective.
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« Reply #80 on: September 16, 2005, 09:21:27 AM »
some people would like to have their children say the pledge and even say prayers at school... they think it would be good for the kids and...

Nash...Who cares what you (the student) wants anyway?  In that case...you are a minor and not paying for your schooling... your parents are.. Your wishes are of no importance as a student.

And that is the dilema... the money for public inductrinization (schools) is being extorted out of all of us but we have no choice in the school... it is one factory with one agenda... we may not want our children taught about gay lifestyles or even condoms (I don't care myself but some do)  we may not want to have to compete with other parents for clothes and accessories for our children... we may or may not want them to wear uniforms...

We may want them to have a school that teaches more shop or less shop...

Point is we get no choice for our money.   The religious get nothing.   Not even a minute for silent prayer or...sleep if you are an athiest...  

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« Reply #81 on: September 16, 2005, 09:31:42 AM »
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The ACLU defends your liberties and rights, whether you want them or not.  They don't have to be popular to be effective.


No the ACLU takes rights from people and gives them to others.
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« Reply #82 on: September 16, 2005, 09:35:54 AM »
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No the ACLU takes rights from people and gives them to others.


Please elaborate.... mabye in another thread.
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« Reply #83 on: September 16, 2005, 09:37:24 AM »
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Please elaborate.... mabye in another thread.


Will do, give me some time to do my research, and I'll get back to you.
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« Reply #84 on: September 16, 2005, 10:11:29 AM »
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I think that's great. Everyone's mileage varies.


In the rest of the world that uses the metric system... is it Kilometrige?
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« Reply #85 on: September 16, 2005, 10:16:37 AM »
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First, for the "they forced ME to say it crowd", please reference a public school district now that forces anyone to pledge or pray.
 


Hehe... this always cracks me up. I'm sure all the teachers across the Country say "OK children, it's time to voluntarily stand and say whatever part of the Pledge of Allegience you want to say."

lol
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« Reply #86 on: September 16, 2005, 10:29:20 AM »
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Hehe... this always cracks me up. I'm sure all the teachers across the Country say "OK children, it's time to voluntarily stand and say whatever part of the Pledge of Allegience you want to say."

lol


This always cracks me up.... folks proclaiming children are "forced" to pray or pledge but being unable to cite single public school instance.

Further, folks insinuating that if parents don't want their children to pledge or pray and instruct them not to do so that the kids are powerless robots in the presence of their peers.

The Madison, WI school district is the example. Schools were instructed to preface every Pledge or anthem offering with a disclaimer that students are free not to stand or participate.

But I'm sure that's still just too oppressive... or something.
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« Reply #87 on: September 16, 2005, 01:01:25 PM »
Anyone who is a real American would not have a problem being compelled by law to voluntarily recite a loyalty oath.

That's a joke, son...
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« Reply #88 on: September 16, 2005, 01:18:18 PM »
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First, for the "they forced ME to say it crowd", please reference a public school district now that forces anyone to pledge or pray.

Yeah, when we were kids, it was the norm. It isn't now.

I'm open to enlightenment though... show me a public school district where you are currently punished for not pledging or praying.


Virginia (story) and Virginia law

and

California
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« Reply #89 on: September 16, 2005, 01:23:35 PM »
I thought the Virginia (story) was about Santa Clause.
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