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Offline Holden McGroin

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« Reply #120 on: September 21, 2005, 02:54:00 AM »
How about the freedom to choose whether to wear a seat belt or not?

The freedom to take responsibility for your own actions.
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« Reply #121 on: September 21, 2005, 03:03:11 AM »
That graph prooves it isn't costing me money?

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/airbags/buasbteens03/#16

"Conversely, safety belt nonuse results in significant economic costs to society. The needless deaths and injuries from safety belt nonuse account for an estimated $26 billion in economic costs to society annually. The cost goes beyond the lost lives of unbuckled drivers and passengers: We all pay - in higher taxes and higher health care and insurance costs. "

I know, that is nothing but government propaganda

And on the alcohol thing(which backfired on ya big time), we do have dry towns in the state. And they are well to do towns with low crime rates, good schools, etc.(go figure)

Is their majority choosing to have a dry town taking away the freedom of others to have a packy in their town? What, you are going to threaten them with guns and call them nannies because they want a dry town? Tell them that by having a dry town the government is going to take over our lives and force a revolution?

Again, what freedoms do wearing a seat belt take away? The freedom to choose? So having a law that keeps people from walking around in public naked is taking away your freedom to choose not to wear clothes?

If a town or state chooses to have a seat belt law, that is their choice. If they don't want people walking around naked, it's their choice. Law, order and democracy is the downfall of our country? You want to walk around naked and feel like your right to choose not to wear clothes has been taken away?

Every law you disagree with is your freedom taken away?
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« Reply #122 on: September 21, 2005, 03:04:03 AM »
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How about the freedom to choose whether to wear a seat belt or not?

The freedom to take responsibility for your own actions.


Fine. That's all good.

If it weren't for the fact that you and me gotta pay for it.

That's the word on the street, anyways.

So far? I haven't heard anything different.

Folk's so-called "freedom" ends at the point where it dips into my wallet. Capice?
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« Reply #123 on: September 21, 2005, 03:07:36 AM »
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Every law you disagree with is your freedom taken away?


Pretty much...  There are laws which define marraige and those who fall outside those definitions believe their freedoms are restricted.
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« Reply #124 on: September 21, 2005, 03:09:39 AM »
Neat web page you linked to, Sixpence. A flick of the scroll-wheel gives us this:

"Safety belt usage saves society an estimated $50 billion annually in medical care, lost productivity, and other injury-related costs.15

Conversely, safety belt nonuse results in significant economic costs to society. The needless deaths and injuries from safety belt nonuse account for an estimated $26 billion in economic costs to society annually.16 The cost goes beyond the lost lives of unbuckled drivers and passengers: We all pay - in higher taxes and higher health care and insurance costs."

Booyah.
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« Reply #125 on: September 21, 2005, 03:13:45 AM »
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Pretty much...  There are laws which define marraige and those who fall outside those definitions believe their freedoms are restricted.


And there are laws that say you can't walk around in public naked, and there are those who feel their freedoms are restricted.

Wearing clothes does not take away your freedom to walk down the street, nor does wearing a seat belt take away your freedom to drive down it
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« Reply #126 on: September 21, 2005, 03:21:13 AM »
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Wearing clothes does not take away your freedom to walk down the street, nor does wearing a seat belt take away your freedom to drive down it


It does take abolish my right to walk down the street naked.  And for what?  Society's victorian mores stemming from religious dogma founded in Genesis.

I think I have a case before the 9th District Court of Appeals.
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« Reply #127 on: September 21, 2005, 03:24:28 AM »
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It does take abolish my right to walk down the street naked.  And for what?  Society's victorian mores stemming from religious dogma founded in Genesis.

I think I have a case before the 9th District Court of Appeals.


Scientology?
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« Reply #128 on: September 21, 2005, 03:42:29 AM »
the point's been lost.

I hugely resent the Nanny State and it's Lip-Service PC mindless citizens deciding for me what I should or shouldn't do.

You can toss out every single reason the Nanny State has you programed to reply with, simple point is I would prefer to reserve for myself the right make up my own mind and act accordingly with regards to my personal wellbeing without Judical Review by the Nanny States courts.

That includes seat belts.

This is not a discussion about weather or not it's a good idea to wear 'em.. it's about the Nanny State deciding the issue for me then penalizing me if I should disagree.

If I wear 'em or not ain't ANYBODY elses decision. Mine. Not theirs. To regulate such a thing is a violation of my personal liberty and affront to the personal fredoms implied in the constitution.
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« Reply #129 on: September 21, 2005, 04:17:24 AM »
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the point's been lost.
No, it was never there...
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« Reply #130 on: September 21, 2005, 04:34:11 AM »
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This is not a discussion about weather or not it's a good idea to wear 'em.. it's about the Nanny State deciding the issue for me then penalizing me if I should disagree.

If I wear 'em or not ain't ANYBODY elses decision. Mine. Not theirs. To regulate such a thing is a violation of my personal liberty and affront to the personal fredoms implied in the constitution.


And as far as the $ cost to society: the cost of my decision to take up base jumping and as a result become a quadriplegic is exactly the same as the cost of my decision to not wear seatbelts and as a result become a quadriplegic.  Lost time, medical bills, rehab, all cost the same.

The cost of becoming a quadriplegic while horseback riding or slipping on an icy sidewalk is also the same.  

Perhaps government can legislate away more freedom and make these activities safer for the public wallet.
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« Reply #131 on: September 21, 2005, 04:37:20 AM »
Ok, let's say thisdarwin doesn't just kill himself, but is thrown into the person in the front seat and breaks his neck. Now the person who was wearing a seat belt and would have survived the accident is dead because of the darwin in the back seat.
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« Reply #132 on: September 21, 2005, 04:39:42 AM »
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And as far as the $ cost to society: the cost of my decision to take up base jumping


So I guess being required to use a parachute would take away your freedom of choice?
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« Reply #133 on: September 21, 2005, 04:59:17 AM »
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So I guess being required to use a parachute would take away your freedom of choice?


The fallacy in your arguement is the fact that the parachute in base jumping is analogous to the car in driving.  And yes I am required to use a horse when riding a horse.
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« Reply #134 on: September 21, 2005, 07:54:39 AM »
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If I wear 'em or not ain't ANYBODY elses decision. Mine. Not theirs. To regulate such a thing is a violation of my personal liberty and affront to the personal fredoms implied in the constitution.


Bingo.
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