Author Topic: raider179 was right... (Read 8003 times)

lazs2 · « **on:** September 17, 2005, 09:49:59 AM »

sorta...

He asked in one of his seven questions about Waco... "Do you obey laws?"

The implication here is that either I obey them and therefore must agree with all laws or.... I sneak around and break em so as not to get caught or..

I am a coward. I obey laws that I find reprehensible... ones that are unconstitutional and immoral... I do it out of fear or laziness.

The last is probly the case. He's got me.

When I was young I could have bought a really neat thompson sub machine gun but... it had no papers and I was scared because the firearms act of '34 made them illegal. I knew that the act was unconstitutional but.... I obeyed

In '69 I coulda bought a lahti 20 mm semi auto cannon.... the new act of 68 made them illegal (they were mail order legal before that)... I didn't buy it because I was frieghtened of my government even tho they were obviously infringing on my rights.

now... I still try to keep up with every silly little incremental gun ban they come up with... There are a few firearms I would enjoy owning and shooting but can't... some states are better than others... I will no doubt move away from the blue voters...

I have no idea how many unconstitutional laws I will obey in the future but I will probly try to comply untill they make my culture of the gun untenable.

lazs

Hangtime · « **Reply #1 on:** September 17, 2005, 10:17:30 AM »

No biggie. I wear my seatbelt when I see a cop on my bellybutton or pulling over traffic up ahead. I suppose you wear a helmet when you ride yer bike.

I even ran a stop sign once.

It was right on my corner. I'd lived there for over a decade.. one morning it suddenly appeared. Stuck on my property, sitting right in the middle of the view from my living room window is this big ugly red stop sign.

I was furious. But I knew better than to fight city hall.

I got a post hole digger and a coupla sacks of concrete, got buzy with some midnight road crew work.

The stop sign(s) are now on the corners of the vacant properties across the street, turned 90 degrees & stopping traffic on the cross street.

A few weeks later, I got a ticket for running my stop sign.

I didn't say a word to the cop.. and I paid the ticket promptly. I thought my ex was gonna hyperventilate laughing.

lazs2 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 17, 2005, 10:25:50 AM »

on the seatbelts.... I wear the lap ones in my hot rods but don't wear the shoulder ones in the Lincoln or work car... I take my seatbelt ticket every 5 years or so.... these days.... so many sheep are wearing em that cops kinda don't even notice.

speeding... an infuriating law that makes no sense... I break speed limits on a regular basis but...

the penalties for all these things are small... a couple bucks... a little time pulled over..

The gun ones.... if my barrel is an eighth of an inch too short or the wood an eighth too short..... a $10,000 fine and.... 5 years in prison for a felony that removes all my rights as a citizen forever! And... I chance the ninjas doing a no knock raid on my house in the middle of the night and destroying or confiscating everything I own.

The latter stuff makes cowards out of a lot of us.

lazs

Hangtime · « **Reply #3 on:** September 17, 2005, 10:40:24 AM »

No Laz.. we're not cowards.

We're Pragmatists.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 17, 2005, 11:06:35 AM »

I wear the seat belts. They are pretty picky about this in my fine county. Usualy it is used for a reson to pull you over and jack you up for other stuff.
I don`t wear the skid lid on the bike. Don`t have to by law here.
No illegal weapons, so I don`t have to worry about that.............as of yet.

( The ninjas may get POed because I speak out against their tactics. Nothing I can do about that.)
I respect those in uniform up the point that they quit respecting me in the same manner, then the dung hits the fan. At that point , to me, they become another jerkoff hiding behind a shield and disrepecting their position and those that serve with pride and honor in their position.
My fine county law enforcement is crooked as a snake for the most part. Has been for 30 years or more. It`s a known fact in the county and other places in the state. There are some very good officers, but they are the minority and usualy don`t last long.
I recently fought a scam in a small community around here concerning mass numbers of tickets for running a stop sign on a county road. I won. I have no problem fighting for something when I know I`m right. It has cost me in the past and will cost me in the future I am sure. I`ve never been able to bend over for anyone. It just is not my way.

lazs2 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 17, 2005, 12:20:20 PM »

I feel about the same about cops... they got a job to do and for the most part they are just like me... that is the problem...they are cowards like me too.... they enforce laws that they find unconstitutional and busy body because we have taken the right for them to decide away... they are running scared just like the rest of us.

We all fear the government... when did that happen? Isn't the government supossed to fear us?

lazs

Sixpence · « **Reply #6 on:** September 17, 2005, 01:19:35 PM »

I wear my seat belt because I feel bad for the poor EMT's who arrive on a scene to find body parts all over the place. Oh, and to save my life for my kids

Hangtime · « **Reply #7 on:** September 17, 2005, 01:58:50 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Isn't the government supossed to fear us?

lazs

Ahhh, but they do. Yes indeedy.. else the government would not have no less than 6 seperate bureaucracies dedicated to preserving their primacy by invading our homes, listening to our phones, monitoring our movements, regulating our possesions and denying our rights and privacy.

FBI
DEA
BATF
NSA
IRS
DHS

and theres more....

What to do to protect your rights? Think about it... and like all good tacticians, pick yer battle wizely.

lazs2 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 18, 2005, 09:56:32 AM »

It does seem that they get rushed in their grab for power.. each time one of the groups you listed gets too far out there and adds too many therms to fast to the pot that is boiling us poor dumb frogs...

We go "ouch" and stomp em.... the new kinder and gentler IRS is one example... when it looks like we are fed up and gonna dump the whole system they ratchet down the heat a little and then work it back up a lot slower.

none of them could really stand against us. Even combined.... we still outnumber em like 5,000 to 1.

I think the only reason we put up with it is that most of us fear freedom and individuality... like the man in the misserable marriage who goes out and get's remarried 4 months after his divorce...

the rest of us that value individuality and freedom... well... we are just.... not to brave.

The founders pretty much lost everything including family members when they oppossed the brits.

Why does anyone suppose that the penalties for a tiny and harmless gun violation are more severe than for violent crime? Because they have to slap down the people who want freedom and are individuals especially hard...

Same for drugs but... drugs addict so the penalties have to be harsh to stop new people from trying em... still... bad law.

lazs

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #9 on:** September 18, 2005, 10:09:46 AM »

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on the seatbelts.... I wear the lap ones in my hot rods but don't wear the shoulder ones in the Lincoln or work car... I take my seatbelt ticket every 5 years or so.... these days.... so many sheep are wearing em that cops kinda don't even notice.

And right there we see Darwins theory at work, once again.

Don't know about you but I wear seatbelts for my personal safety, not because I'm afraid of a ticket.

lazs2 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 18, 2005, 10:14:19 AM »

that is fine and I think that you are doing the right thing in wearing them but.... I would never presume to force you to.

any risky behavior including motorcycles or swimming or hiking or boating or even taking a shower without a saftey harness can be considered to be darwin at work...

perhaps some day the race will consist of nothing but non risk takers but... Just as I don't think we should depend on the government to defend us and to never tyranize us....I don't believe we should outlaw risk taking.

lazs

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #11 on:** September 18, 2005, 12:00:39 PM »

Motoring is dangerous enough with any safety - and wearing a seatbelt is such a simple and non cumbersome thing to do that anyone choosing not to use it is IMO running for the darwin award.

To be honest, I chuckle every time I see a spot marking the head of the driver/passenger in the windshield after an accident. I'm 100% sure none of those people will leave the seatbelt off the next time they commute. That is if they still have any control of their limbs after a broken neck.

Hangtime · « **Reply #12 on:** September 18, 2005, 12:22:55 PM »

I reserve the right to chose and I hugely resent the attitude of folks that figure that they have any right to make decisons of any kind 'for my own good'.

You certainly have a right to your opinion.

That does not extend to the right to enact laws to enforce your opinions.

Let Darwin Decide. All my life, I've lived by the adage of 'you pay's yer money, you takes yer chances'. Enjoy your life, live it as you see fit, but keep yer damn nose outta my affairs, my choices are my own.

lazs2 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 18, 2005, 12:39:27 PM »

exactly hang... I don't think mr ripley sees it that way tho...

lazs

beet1e · « **Reply #14 on:** September 18, 2005, 12:59:22 PM »

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