Rita and gas prices

[Wilbus]

Originally posted by AdmRose
Why can't Bush do something about mother nature?

He's already done something. We're seeing the results now.

[Nilsen]

Not gonna sell my shares in Statoil just yet.

We got 1000 shares each back in 2001 when they were @ 66 NOK and Statoil went public. They are are now @ 165,50 NOK.

Wonder if they reach 200 before xmas.

[lazs2]

I have found that the oil companies and distributors are more than happy to raise the price of gas to whatever the news media tells em to.

We could put on our blue tinfoil hat and march for kyoto tho...

If you think our government is bad.... imagine a one world government controling something.

lazs

[Shifty]

Originally posted by laho
Yes, he really can do something if he wants to!

Kyoto Protocol

Just My2Cents from faaaar away.

Yeah that will help.  Have the U.S. pay for everybodys problems.  No thanks.    What would these storms be blamed on had he signed the Kyoto agreement???

[lazs2]

yep... let the U.S. pay.  that is the whole idea behind one world government and the U.N.

bring everyone down to the lowest possible level (except the ruling class of course).

lazs

[Curval]

$6.50 a gallon here.

Thank goodness I live in a small place so the wife and I don't have to drive far.

[laho]

Originally posted by Shifty
Yeah that will help.  Have the U.S. pay for everybodys problems.  No thanks.    What would these storms be blamed on had he signed the Kyoto agreement???

I think global warming is everybodys problem, even yours. And if you read a little bit more about warming you'll end up to hurricanes...

Global Warming

"Such changes may increase extreme weather events such as floods, droughts, heat waves, and hurricanes, reduce agricultural yields, or cause biological extinctions."

Less pollution -> less global warming -> less hurricanes.

That's why U.S should also pay attention to everybodys problems. And do something for example to this:
Compare EUs & US.

BTW, we don't have hurricanes here in northern part of Europe, yet.

But you're just worried about gas prices, way to go

[mora]

Originally posted by beet1e
But just yesterday when I filled up, it was down to 93p. Rita will be a blip.   That's part of the problem - seems some people refuse to buy more fuel efficient vehicles, so demand keeps the price sky high.

That's outrageous, is Diesel still more expensive there than gasoline? I filled up today at €0.95/l... Diesel is darn expensive here too, but it's still 25% cheaper than gasoline. Plus the yearly Diesel tax which is €70 for my Escort van. I might truck some diesel from Russia next summer, it's around €0.3/l there.

[Wolfala]

Originally posted by mora
That's outrageous, is Diesel still more expensive there than gasoline? I filled up today at �0.95/l... Diesel is darn expensive here too, but it's still 25% cheaper than gasoline. Plus the yearly Diesel tax which is �70 for my Escort van. I might truck some diesel from Russia next summer, it's around �0.3/l there.

CAn you float a tanker barge over to San Fran for me while yr at it?

[J_A_B]

"That's part of the problem - seems some people refuse to buy more fuel efficient vehicles, so demand keeps the price sky high."

Show me a car that gets 50 MPG that isn't also an unsafe little piece of crap or doesn't cost so much as to offset whatever fuel savings you might make.  When the POTUS starts driving around in a flimsy little pice of junk like a Honda Civic, I will too.  My Buick with its V-8 averages around 22 MPG in normal driving (not highway) which is more than reasonable.  Put it on a highway and it gets up near 30 MPG.   Unlike a Civic, the Buick isn't a pathetic deathtrap.  I've cleaned up enough crashes to know, and I've been involved in a few myself.

Demand alone isn't keeping the price of petrol high.  Demand combined with an artificially choked up supply (deliberately limited refinery capacity) of a product with too little regulation is keeping the price high.  Make no mistake--the companies love making their record profits.  

It's laissez-faire capatialism at work, just like the late 1800's.  The companies get richer and greedier, and the people lose.  Gee, I sound almost like a socalist, except I don't trust the government any more than I trust Exxon.


J_A_B

[Sundowner]

Show me a car that gets 50 MPG that isn't also an unsafe little piece of crap or doesn't cost so much as to offset whatever fuel savings you might make. When the POTUS starts driving around in a flimsy little pice of junk like a Honda Civic, I will too. My Buick with its V-8 averages around 22 MPG in normal driving (not highway) which is more than reasonable. Put it on a highway and it gets up near 30 MPG. Unlike a Civic, the Buick isn't a pathetic deathtrap. I've cleaned up enough crashes to know, and I've been involved in a few myself.

My armor of choice



Lord Vader, your car is ready.

Regards
Sun

[beet1e]

Originally posted by J_A_B
Show me a car that gets 50 MPG that isn't also an unsafe little piece of crap or doesn't cost so much as to offset whatever fuel savings you might make.

How about mine - VW Golf GTi with the TDi-150 engine. I drove it from Scotland down to the Midlands 2 Sundays ago, a distance of 430 miles. Much of the motorway driving was done in the 80/90mph speed range. On that trip, I averaged 52mpg and still had ¼ tank of fuel remaining at the end of it. It is not an unsafe piece of crap. VW builds good quality cars and indeed, as Mr. Toad pointed out in the Raider/seatbelt thread

As I said before, consider the "utopian" ideal: everyone driving around in a Volkswagen Passat GLX (V6) (rated #1 in class for safety)

It doesn't cost a lot to run - it needs servicing/oil change once every 18,000 miles with my driving pattern. Insurance is reasonable. The biggest cost of owning a car is depreciation. But with high fuel prices, there is strong demand for fuel efficient cars, so resale values on cars like mine are strong.

[J_A_B]

Beet1e--I know we've had this discussion before and it's somewhat off-topic for the thread, but it's too much fun to resist.

In a single-car crash, I'll grant you that the Golf will do quite well--better than my Roadmaster in fact.

If you get hit by another VW (or a lorry for that matter), will you admit that you'd be safer in my Buick than in your Golf?  

I guess it depends on what you want to protect yourself from.  I want a vehicle that will protect me from the other guy.  A small car simply doesn't do that as well as a larger vehicle.

J_A_B

[Nilsen]

Who will be the first to admit that he just really _wants_ to have a big car with a big engine and that it has nothing to do with safety or need at all?

[Eagler]

if the number of tanks on the road is reduced by ppl not buying/driving them, the chance you getting hit by one is also reduced

the argument I would give is comfort. Drive over 300 in a golf, then drive the same 300 in SD's buick. Geography of the states lends itself to larger vehicles for that alone though the SUV craze is retardedly overboard around here