Post a tip for flying Ki-84 "Hayate" (FRANK for US)

[1K3]

The Ki-84 HAYATE/FRANK performs very well ONLY if the handfull of "good-sticks" take it on air.  The majority have no idea how to fly the Ki-84...

Yes Ki-84 is different from other well known Japanese fighters such as the "Zero" and "George".

(now post tips that are helpful)

[SkyChimp]

Hunt down Wetrat aka tartew:D  or ManeTMP. Maybe even wilbuz

[Scrap]

Always use the vertical to your advantage.  Flaps come out a bit later than you'd expect, but are worth it if you can bleed E.  NevAr dive too fast  N for gods sake, learn the guns before turnfighting in the thing 4 too long.

[Kweassa]

Keep your priorities straight, and make your mind up quickly.

 The Ki-84 is a plane as fast as a P-38L at deck that turns like a Spit5 if it reaches its peak of turning performance. The worst enemy to a Ki-84 usually seems to be the pilot himself, often overly confident in the plane's capabilities... trying to chase down or turn with every fighter plane with similar capabilities.

[Wilbus]

The Ki84 is a mediocre plane at speeds over 170mph when it comes to maneuverabilty although roll rate is very good up to nearly 300 or so. At speeds over 170mph the Ki84 is outturned by all spits, the niki too can turn with it. At speeds over 200 many US planes (depending on fuel status too of course) can turn with it thanks to combat flaps.

The Ki84 has a absolutely supreme climb rate. With 50% fuel the Ki84 reaches 5k in just over one minute. 2 seconds slower then a 109 G10 with 50% fuel (both on WEP). It is one of the few "slow" planes that can totally dictate a fight against many enemies if flown right.

It is not all that slow but it is not up amongst the fastest planes in the game thus it can't run away from most fights using its speed. However, it can climb away.

Slowly getting to my point... The Ki84 absolutely dominates slow speed flying. Bellow 170mph you can pop both notches of flaps. Use this, keep the speed bellow 170 and use your flaps. Keep a cool flying style, specially when engaged with spits as that is most likely the most dangerous plane to the Ki84.

Use its low speed and great climb rate to win.

Look at this film to see what I mean.

Ki84 vs La7, Niki and 109 E4.

And here is another one with a slightly different outcome.

Ki 84 vs gang,

They've both been posted in the help forum before.

[mipoikel]

I've had some fun fights also in ki.

In this film I have fight vs some F4Us + lala. Evevrythihng goes well until skyrock kills me in his lala. First half of Film is quite boring but rest is action.

film114.zip


Pics

[Wilbus]

Yikes what kind of a system do you have and what settings? Very nice pics, will take a look at the film later on.

[dedalos]

Ki84 it the plane to generate more whines than the LA7, once people learn how to fly it.  Nothing can beat it if met on equal terms.  All, the SptVs can do when they engage 1 is run for the ack.  The funiest thing to watch is usually a p38 trying its endless loops, finding out they don't work vs a Ki andnot knowing what to do next.

Only thing you can do against it, is run if you have the plane.

Taht being said, IT SUCKS, DON'T FLY IT

[DoctorYO]

Excellent posts on the speed...  

now lets talk on how to get to that speed..

always preform some type of yoyo manuever to accelerate your e bleed..  Combined with hard rudder you can bleed off E very quickly to reach the target speed of 160-170 and below to extend flaps and really have some excellent utrn radius..( i learned this tactic in a zeke..too fast is bad..)

Like the spitfire you must use throttle management to get the most out of this bird...  you can regain any speed you lose very quickly..  its a excellent accelerator under its limited wep..

dont be afraid to b & z or energy fight at the merge then lure in the unsuspecting aircraft into a knife fight..

My openers are usually a soft yoyo and reaction to what the enemy is doing..

By going into a soft yoyo you already bring your aircraft into your max turning speed of below 170 mph hence anything stupid enough to follow you up thru your yoyo will have a hard time turning with you at that speed..  Aircraft that can turn well wont have the zoom or sustained climb to match th ki84 in vert games... if they decide to play your soft yoyo hard...

be wary of the high speed aircraft when you are at high speed they will outturn you..

other than that you are riding in one of the better aircraft in the game when flown right..  


DoctorYo

[Karnak]

Do not fly the Ki-84 with Combat Trim turned on.  Combat Trim will take it's already mediocre mid and high speed elevator authority and turn it to utter crap.  Without Combat Trim on you will find that it is still ok up to about 400mph.

Be aggressive.  The Ki-84 can build energy back at an incredibly fast rate, so don't be afraid to spend it.

Fight in the vertical and get those flaps out whenever you can.  I have found that spiral climbs, vertical loops and high yoyos work very well for the Ki-84.

Get in close before firing.  The balistics on its guns are only about average and the cannon have a very high rate of fire so the ammo goes fast.  The two cowl mounted machine guns are deadly and you can kill many things with just those alone.

The fuel range is very good.  You should never need more than 50% + DTs or 75% unless you are doing a long range mission.  For base defense 25% will usually work.

[mipoikel]

Originally posted by Wilbus
Yikes what kind of a system do you have and what settings? Very nice pics, will take a look at the film later on.

My system is "old" one... P4 3.0ghz, 1gb ram, radeon 9800 pro, xppro.

1280x1024 res, 1024 highres texturepack installed.

[Wilbus]

Rgr, it's the highres pack that makes the difference, will try using it again.

Using an older system though. 512mb RAM and 2.4Ghz and Radeon 9700.  

Very nice pictures though.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by 1K3
The Ki-84 HAYATE/FRANK performs very well ONLY if the handfull of "good-sticks" take it on air.  The majority have no idea how to fly the Ki-84....

Suggest you come to the CT tomorrow (and the rest of next week).  We're running a CBI setup, concocted by Karnak, and it looks like it will emphasize Ki84s v. Spit 9s and 14s.  Good place to polish your Ki84 skills, I suspect, and an excuse to fly Spits.

- oldman

[Krusty]

Oldman, off topic, but what does CBI stand for?

The Ki has a low top speed but can catch almost anything in a dive. Just be sure not to go so fast you rip wings off (475 seems to be the red mark). Also once you dive and have a speed higher than your top speed, you will keep that speed for a long time (good for running or chasing down runners).

[Karnak]

CBI = China Burma India Theater of Operations.

I am glad that my suggestion was useful, but as my computer seems to have developed a catastrophic hardware conflict and no longer functions I will not be able to participate.