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Offline AutoPilot

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« on: October 05, 2005, 02:31:49 PM »
How about adding an option for Napalm.

It was used in late war but still would be cool.
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2005, 02:36:57 PM »
I dont think fire is useful enough in a world where you need 1000 pounders to take anything down worth killing...
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2005, 03:59:11 PM »
Napalm can be alot more useful against tanks than bombs, not to mention using it against buildings at a town.
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2005, 04:47:03 PM »
How does napalm count as a P-38 add on?

It was mostly used, during WWII, by F4Us and F6Fs as I recall, with some use by Typhoons as well.
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2005, 04:56:58 PM »
Don't forget the mossies of 100 Group, Karnak.

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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2005, 05:40:30 PM »
I was not aware that the Mossies of 100 Group used napalm.

Can you tell me some about their use of it?
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2005, 05:45:48 PM »
Heya:

I think beginning in March '45, the NF.30s (and, IIRC, the FB.VIs of 23 Sqn and 515 Sqn) of 100 Group Bomber Command began to carry napalm in the 100-gallon droptanks. The raids were all concentrated on LW airfields.

The ops were referred to as "Firebash" - apparently the idea came up in a conversation between W/C Winn and an American officer who happened to share a train compartment!

There are some good descriptions of the raids in "Confounding the Reich".

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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2005, 05:49:29 PM »
Yes, that matches what I just looked up in my books, although I didn't have the names of the RAF and USAAF officers involved the train compartment matches.  My book says the first use of napalm by 100 group was on 18 August, 1945 and napalm is only mentioned a few times on the one page of the book.  It is interesting, but more of a footnote really.
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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2005, 08:57:13 PM »
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How does napalm count as a P-38 add on?


P-38s used it pretty heavily during the Philippines campaign with their extra large drop tanks, as I recall. Used it in other PTO areas of operations such as Indonesia during the same period.

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During the spring of 1945, the 49th Fighter Group occupied Clark Field and were concentrating on providing ground support roles. They were particularly effective in delivering napalm bombs which devastated enemy installations, which made an invasion of the Luzon unnecessary.



Apparently they used in in Europe as well, starting in 1944 at St Lo.

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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2005, 11:44:27 PM »
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P-38s used it pretty heavily during the Philippines campaign with their extra large drop tanks, as I recall. Used it in other PTO areas of operations such as Indonesia during the same period.

That still doesn't make it a P-38 addon.  A P-38 addon, and what I was expecting to see in the thread, would be something like the gun pods.  Something specific to the P-38.  Not something that the F4U, F6F, Mossie, P-38 and Typhoon all used.  This would be better titled as "Can we have napalm please?"
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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2005, 12:42:51 AM »
so we gonna need bambo villages and paper japanisee towns too?
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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2005, 01:10:24 AM »
Napalm should be EXCEPTIONALLY effective on open top GV's, the rest it would take time to cook.

I agree, napalm ain't just for P-38's.

I would like to see 2K bombs added, and the P-38 could take two of them. I think the P-47 and the F4U could as well.
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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2005, 01:56:32 AM »
It wouldn't matter if the vehicle were open topped or not.  WWII tanks were not sealed, so all the air would get sucked out and some fire would get in regardless.
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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2005, 02:17:47 AM »
Agreed, but a nice coating of napalm would make VERY quick work of the guys in the open areas of M-3's, M-8's, M-16's, and Osti's.

Buttoned up tanks might actually survive if they weren't in the middle of the burn pattern and thoroughly covered, but rather were on the edge and got splashed.

Even a half decent SPLASH of napalm on an open vehicle will cover the occupants, regardless of whether it uses up the oxygen. Get SOME on a buttoned up enclosed vehicle and if it didn't cause something to cook off, it might not knock it out.
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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2005, 02:28:25 AM »
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Napalm should be EXCEPTIONALLY effective on open top GV's, the rest it would take time to cook.

I agree, napalm ain't just for P-38's.

I would like to see 2K bombs added, and the P-38 could take two of them. I think the P-47 and the F4U could as well.


Have you ever tried to get a P47 off the ground with 2 thousand pounders and a centerline 500 - let alone 2 two thousand pounders, rockets and a center bomb. It makes a pregnant yak look slim.
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