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Offline Captain Virgil Hilts

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« Reply #60 on: October 13, 2005, 05:55:41 PM »
You think Roy Schoffner would have spent $6 MILLION to recover and restore "Glacier Girl" if he'd been told it couldn't be flown? You think Bob Cardin would have spent TEN YEARS of his life running the project?

Anyway, what gives anyone the right to tell these people they  can't fly their planes?

I've seen Steve Hinton take "Glacier Girl" up and fly her harder than I've flown a virtual P-38 in AHII. A one of a kind P-38, valued at in excess of $8 million. I loved every second of it. I'll go up there every time he flies it.

I saw the F6F-5 fly several times. I'll miss it and Art deeply, for many years to come. But ground them, so no one else could enjoy the experience anymore? NEVER!

I've got some more bad news for you. If I win the lottery, I'm going to go get my twin IFR rating, and then I'm going to take Bodhi around for about 90 days and buy up every piece of P-38 we can find. We might even go to Greenland. I think he and Bob Cardin need some more work.

While they're busy, I'm going to buy an AT-6 and go spend about 120 days or so at Chino paying Steve Hinton and Chris Fahey to teach me to fly warbirds.

After that, I'll see what I can go buy to fly. Hell, I think I'll even volunteer to ferry some around so everyone else can see them, somebody has to pick up where Art left off, if I come into the money, by God I'll do it for damned sure. I'll even buy the gas.
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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #61 on: October 13, 2005, 07:37:56 PM »
Doesnt change a thing.  Fact is there are a finite number of originals left and you sorts wont be happy until EVERY SINGLE ONE has been destroyed, all to satisfy some perverted desire to experience the "thrill" of seeing one in flight.

Go build copies, its like model building afterall....fun, and fly those....crash em and burn em to your hearts content, leave the originals for your childrens children to enjoy.

Glacier Girl is a 8 million dollar disaster waiting to happen.  Keep that BEAUTIFUL warbird OTG!!!
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Offline Captain Virgil Hilts

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« Reply #62 on: October 13, 2005, 08:47:38 PM »
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« Reply #63 on: October 13, 2005, 09:42:12 PM »
"Glacier Girl is a 8 million dollar disaster waiting to happen. Keep that BEAUTIFUL warbird OTG!!!"
 
You missed the point....that "$8 million disaster" would still be sitting underneath a couple hundred feet of ice if he wouldn't have been allowed to fly it.  Heck, there's a bunch of other P-38's down there and a B-17 too.  Why isn't anyone digging them up to put 'em in a museum?

Yeager, you're reminding me of a guy sitting with his hands over his ears yelling "I'M NOT LISTENING!".  You want them "preserved" in museums while ignoring that museum examples get destroyed too--either by sudden disaster, or by the slow ravages of time.    You've also failed to say even a single thing that a "real" airplane can do in a static setting that a mock-up can't.  I've seen plenty of museum aircraft that were barely more than hollowed-out wrecks with a shiney paintjob and thick layer of dust.  Is that what you call "preservation"?

As far as the "grandchildren enjoying them" goes...the last time I took any kids to a museum full of dusty old airplanes, they were bored out of their little kid minds.  

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« Reply #64 on: October 13, 2005, 10:01:38 PM »
JAB. your points are well taken.
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« Reply #65 on: October 13, 2005, 10:29:07 PM »
Hmmmm.......


Side A:

Fix'em up and fly'em.


Side B:

"I am the Lorax! I speak for the trees. Please stop chopping down all the truckular(sp?) trees."
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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #66 on: October 13, 2005, 10:53:00 PM »
I would be fine if the FAA stopped granting flight status to any vintage relic when the numbers become less than 5 of that type, subvariants included.  Allowing for flight only when necessary to preserve the type, not for demonstration.

Hmmm....perhaps I will shoot off a email to my FAA buddies.....start a PAC!
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Offline Hangtime

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« Reply #67 on: October 13, 2005, 11:50:30 PM »
dangerous thinking yeager.

it was my understanding that in a capitalist democracy the entire premise of ownership devolves around the rights of the owner to control the destiny of his property.

if it's my airplane, what gives you the right to decide if i fly it or not?

frankly, the FAA is bad enough.. a freakin buncha self-important non-flying stuffed shirts that are employed for sole for the purpose of screwin with honest folks that love avation.

and your premise of proposing that the owners of airplanes be denied the use of their property, ironicly warbirds once used to secure liberty...

sir you reduce yourself to a level somewhat below those dirtbag FAA ramp titwillows by even suggesting such a travesty on the american rights of property, personal freedom, individual liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Sureley Yeager, you have not thought this out at all, or you are merely bored to tears and are just having some droll fun with us while yer swilling wine coolers and picking your toenails. ;)
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« Reply #68 on: October 14, 2005, 12:13:04 AM »
Hang, do it for the children!

VOTE YES ON THE WARBIRDS PRESERVATION ACT!!!!!

Please!
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« Reply #69 on: October 14, 2005, 12:14:44 AM »
With proper maintenance, decent funding and a proper pilot, flying warbirds will last just as long as hangered warbirds, if not longer.

My grandfather flew the Confederate Air Force's F4U Corsair for several years. That same aircraft is still flying to this day and has been for the last 20 years. Nothing has happened to it yet, as far as I know. THe way you make it sound, that aircraft should be scrap by now. But it's not...

Hangered aircraft suffer far more than flying aircraft. Grounding warbirds to "preserve" them is the wrong thing to do, because while you may drag out their lifespan, you're not doing them a service.

I don't go to museums to learn about these aircraft. There's nothing I could learn from a museum. I learned all I know from books, from personal accounts and from watching these birds fly. What's more educational? Explaining how these planes fly or showing how these planes fly?
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« Reply #70 on: October 14, 2005, 12:15:41 AM »
no bites on the PETA board trolls either, enh?
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« Reply #71 on: October 14, 2005, 01:42:24 AM »
"...Instrument meteorological conditions prevailed and no flight plan was filed..."
I hate to say something bad about a guy who just died, but that is just not smart flying.

"...Grumman F6F Corsair, N4994V..."
That is sloppy NTSB investigation reporting so maybe I should hold my tounge about the pilot.
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« Reply #72 on: October 14, 2005, 03:12:16 AM »
Seeing a not flight worthy warbird in static display at a museum is like seeing a stuffed cheetah.

Seeing a flight worthy warbird in static display at a museum is like seeing a caged cheetah.

Seeing a cheetah stretch out and run down an antelope in the wild is truly seeing the animal.  If you love warbirds, let them fly.
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« Reply #73 on: October 14, 2005, 03:18:02 AM »
better to have them in a cage then dead
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« Reply #74 on: October 14, 2005, 03:27:33 AM »
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Originally posted by ramzey
better to have them in a cage then dead


Stuffed cheetahs usually are dead.

What's the point of having a real, flight worthy example of a warbird if not to fly it?
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