Author Topic: Lousy call (Read 1281 times)

Ripsnort · « **Reply #15 on:** October 13, 2005, 04:49:10 PM »

Doesn't matter either way. ChiSox will win the next 3.

myelo · « **Reply #16 on:** October 13, 2005, 05:26:42 PM »

Rips right, on a play like this, the plate ump usually can’t see if the ball is caught or not. So on a third strike not legally caught, the plate ump always gets help from the base ump. You won’t notice this on TV, but if it’s a clean catch, the 1st base ump will make a fist at belt level. The PU just looks to him, sees the signal and rings up the batter. No signal, no catch and the ball is in play.

Even so, when frame-by-frame replays from multiple angles are inconclusive, you can hardly blame the umps for the call either way.

The only valid criticism of the umps is the mechanics of the PU. Umps will use either a fist pump or point to signal strikes. Eddings uses a fist pump. The problem is many fans confuse this with an out call, so a lot of folks are saying he changed his call. He didn’t. But I bet he changes his mechanics.

Also most umps will also yell “no catch” on a 3rd strike not legally caught. On TV, you can’t tell if he said that or not, but based on the catcher’s lack of response, I bet he didn’t.

And that’s who should get the blame on this play – the catcher. Any high-school catcher, must less a MLB catcher should know that this is a very difficult call for the ump to get correct. The catcher should always reach out and tag the batter-runner and this whole discussion would have never happened.

Stang · « **Reply #17 on:** October 13, 2005, 06:20:08 PM »

The ball "bounced" off of the top stiching in the web of the catcher's mit. It never hit the ground. What a horrible call. Basesball umpires are the worst for owning to mistakes of any in pro sports. And they're all fat slobs.

moose · « **Reply #18 on:** October 13, 2005, 08:56:44 PM »

holden you need to watch more baseball. aj pirshiswhathisname swung at the low splitter

eddings got it wrong. froze like a deer in headlights.. you could say that its a conspiracy to get ratings since both the sox and yanks are out of it and now people will actually watch the ALCS to see if the angels can rightfully come back and win.

i wanted them to win before, but now i'm really rooting hard.

i dont want instant replay in baseball.. i'd rather have competant umpires and a consistant and fair judging system. greg gibbons I believe had many incidents this year where he really showed that he wasnt ready for the big show, #1 being when he threw david wells out from 2nd base.

they need to just blow the current umpiring crew up and start anew. too many guys who try to become a part of the game.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #19 on:** October 13, 2005, 09:05:21 PM »

Yeah, yeah, he had to swing for the run to first on a dropped strike three rule to come into play...

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #20 on:** October 13, 2005, 09:08:01 PM »

I am against replay. Argueing with umpires is part of the game. It's even a line in Casey at the Bat... "Kill the Umpire!"

I would like to see an electronic strike zone sensor... should be relatively easy to accomplish. But whether a tag was made, this call, much of the game would be like it is now.

myelo · « **Reply #21 on:** October 13, 2005, 09:36:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Yeah, yeah, he had to swing for the run to first on a dropped strike three rule to come into play...

Ohhh … you should have quit while you were behind. The batter becomes a runner when the 3rd strike is not legally caught by the catcher, provided first base is open or there are two outs. There is no requirement for the batter to swing at the pitch.

To put him out, the defense must tag him or first base before he touches first base. He’s also out if he enters the dugout.

Golfer · « **Reply #22 on:** October 13, 2005, 11:16:25 PM »

Heads up play by the chisox...sloppy catching for the angels. If one of my kids didn't tag the guy after a swinging 3rd strike where there's even a slight chance the ball touched dirt they get a dirty look and a smack on the helmet.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #23 on:** October 14, 2005, 12:05:23 AM »

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Originally posted by myelo
Ohhh … you should have quit while you were behind. The batter becomes a runner when the 3rd strike is not legally caught by the catcher, provided first base is open or there are two outs. There is no requirement for the batter to swing at the pitch.

To put him out, the defense must tag him or first base before he touches first base. He’s also out if he enters the dugout.

He had to swing to get a ball in the dirt to be called a strike... I thought that was established a few posts ago...

moose · « **Reply #24 on:** October 14, 2005, 01:39:16 AM »

well golfer, would do abuse your kids if the ump signalled out too?

give me a break. there is no blame placed on josh paul at all. he caught the ball cleanly, the ump rang the guy up, what more do you want?

it was heads up baserunning but still all blame sorely rests on the umpire and MLB for supporting him.. first thing they should have done is just plain admit they were wrong and move on. it'd be better then the approach they took, which is weakly defend a horrible call.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 14, 2005, 05:21:36 AM »

Well at least they didn't wave your runner home on interference and then call him out.

Dinger · « **Reply #26 on:** October 14, 2005, 05:37:53 AM »

crap happens. The play didn't decide the game; the angels let the play decide the game. If both a player and an umpire screw up on "optional" mechanics (not tagging the player, and not calling "no catch"), the player is going to lose, every time. But having a runner on first is different from having that runner score. Necessary but not sufficient.

Seraphim · « **Reply #27 on:** October 14, 2005, 08:26:05 AM »

Something a little interesting...

"I wish I sold call more emphatically"

And to add...

octospider0 · « **Reply #28 on:** October 14, 2005, 02:06:49 PM »

i agree it was a bad call but now there is tons of comments about "instant replay" for baseball now. IMO, this would be bad, really bad.

I like my baseball the way it has been for the last 100 years. In the honor of Martin/Yogi/Lasorda (sp) yelling at the blues but never winning. In fact Espn showed that not one time has yelling at a ump caused a call to be overturned. This is part of the game, the passion if you will. Instant replay somehow takes away from that, makes it more comercial then it already has become. Sometimes you get good calls, sometimes bad, just part of the game.

my .02

icemaw · « **Reply #29 on:** October 14, 2005, 03:33:46 PM »

No baseball dont need instant replay. But what it does need is regulated signals from the umps. No more of this well everyone knows when I scatch my arse means strike 3 and then when I pick my nose it means your out.
When I moon walk it means foul ball. etc etc!