Author Topic: Have you seen this Chinese pilot video? (Read 2993 times)

NATEDOG · « **Reply #30 on:** April 09, 2001, 04:57:00 PM »

What about that time a Russian Spy plane made an emergency landing in Alaska cuz it was out of fuel. ( after spying on America no less ) We fueled them up, and sent them on their way.

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funked · « **Reply #31 on:** April 09, 2001, 05:09:00 PM »

Negative FD, aircraft in distress is covered by int'l regs, Toad can quote you chapter and verse. Furthermore it seems the Chinese were recorded on radio saying the plane had permission to land.

Dowding, people in the US LOVE to criticize our military. It's practically a national sport. Anytime any of our aircraft or ships or personnel are involved in even the slightest incident, it is highly publicized here and nitpicked in grueling detail.

If your hypothetical incident took place, the media would be all over it, and the pilot would be in deep toejam for creating an international incident. Furthermore the USN and USAF have been escorting Soviet/Former Soviet ELINT and strategic bomb birds off our coastlines for about 40 years, it's just that we don't crash into them.

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sling322 · « **Reply #32 on:** April 09, 2001, 05:14:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding:
He details how US mercenaries fighting for the Argentinians were shot dead by British forces to spare the blushes of Reagan and the 'special relationship' enjoyed by Thatcher and Ronald at that time.

I dont know Dowding old buddy, but I dont see how this even enters into the picture here. Were these guys US military personnel or were they hired mercenaries? If they were the latter, then I dont see how Reagan can be expected to know the whereabouts of some US citizens who happened to be employed by the Argentinians...just because they may have been there doesnt mean it was condoned by the US government.

funked · « **Reply #33 on:** April 09, 2001, 05:17:00 PM »

PS As long as China has nukes pointed at USA, and threatens Taiwan with a build up of seaborne/airborne invasion forces and missiles, USA will take all legal measures (flying/sailing in Int'l Waters) to monitor their activities. And if China wants to ram any more of our unarmed aircraft, they had better stock up on life preservers and shark repellent.

funked · « **Reply #34 on:** April 09, 2001, 05:34:00 PM »

PS Boroda is trolling you guys.

And if he's not I'll bring up the 100,000 civilians wasted by Russian bandits in Chechnya.

john9001 · « **Reply #35 on:** April 09, 2001, 05:37:00 PM »

huh?, did dowding just say british troops exicuted pow's in violation of geneva accords??... sound like war crimes to me, sound like someone should tell the UN

attla da hun

Jack55 · « **Reply #36 on:** April 09, 2001, 05:37:00 PM »

Wasn't the Chinese embassy bombing accident shortly after the stealth fighter shoot down?
I wonder if the Chinese would have any interest in a slightly wrecked F-117?

-lynx- · « **Reply #37 on:** April 10, 2001, 03:45:00 AM »

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And if he's not I'll bring up the 100,000 civilians wasted by Russian bandits in Chechnya.

Funked if you're trolling - it's a poor taste troll. If you are not - you have not a slightest idea what you're talking about - please don't.

Boroda · « **Reply #38 on:** April 10, 2001, 05:28:00 AM »

Natedog, when did it happen?

Maybe they fueled our plane and let it go simply because USA illegaly occupies Alaska for the last 40 years?

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Staga · « **Reply #39 on:** April 10, 2001, 06:02:00 AM »

Boroda are you guys giving us back the Carelian isthmut and Petsamo?

(btw keep it; IMO we don't have enough money to build its whole infrastructure from scratch...)

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Boroda · « **Reply #40 on:** April 10, 2001, 06:12:00 AM »

Just like we did in Finland in 1809-1918?

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-lynx- · « **Reply #41 on:** April 10, 2001, 06:12:00 AM »

Boroda - bolsheviks refused to pay tzar's loans, America refused to accept that Alaska was "leased" from Russia for 100 years. You can't have both. Either pay the dosh or stop making noises about Alaska...

As for Soviet plane landing and refuelling - I guess American PR people had more brains than hardline communists. It was a nice jesture, like saying "shit happens, have a nice day" and everyone involved felt better about themselves...

Fatty · « **Reply #42 on:** April 10, 2001, 10:18:00 AM »

Miko's right Dowding. Our total trade with China is 80 billion. No small amount, no doubt, and we'd rather have it than not, but we can most certinaly live without it (and spread what can be to Korea and Taiwan).

Boroda · « **Reply #43 on:** April 10, 2001, 10:43:00 AM »

Lynx, US have taken the gold that Tzar and then White Army payed them for the arms, didn't ship the prepaid goods and said that Russia have never paid in advance. More to say, at the same time people like Armand Hammer traded with bolsheviks. Now Russia pays all the Tsar's debts for arms supplies during WWI and even 100+ year old "Railway credits", while US, Japan and some European countries simply stealed Russian payments wthout completeng the contracts. This has nothing to do with occupation of Alaska.

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Dowding · « **Reply #44 on:** April 10, 2001, 12:03:00 PM »

Hey guys, don't shoot the messenger. The events in the Falklands I described are widely documented, as is the denial by the US government that US mercenaries were involved.

john9001 - actually, it wasn't just American mercenaries who were killed by British forces. There are accounts of Argentinian prisoners being thrown off cliffs. But the killing of prisoners who, minutes before, were manning a defensive position has happened in every war since the year dot. The beaches of Normandy are another example. Indefensible? Of course. Understandable? Of course.

The controversy doesn't centre around the fact that POWs were killed, it was that orders from high up in the command chain were given to single out American nationals. Of course, this is disputable and only personal accounts support it.

An official War Crimes investigation was opened over the action on Mount Longdon. AFAIK, no disciplinary action was taken and the claim that US mercenaries were present during the battle has never been proved.

The events are a relevant example of plausible deniability.

Fatty, Miko2d - wait a minute. Isn't the US trying to stave off a recession? I think the loss of 80 Billion Dollars of trade might have some effect and I'm sure Wall Street would not like to stand such a loss.

Funked - despite the (over-estimated) power of the media, I'm sure the US military could keep an incident like that quiet. If they really wanted to, it wouldn't take much effort.

Toad - despite how easy it might be for you to believe, the UK is not 'humouring' the Chinese. We have officially asked for China to return both the plane and the personnel. This is something I agree with.

Don't expect a US-o-phobe like you to agree though.

A US-o-phobe? Yeah right, Toad. How very lazy of you. Just because I don't happen to be American and I don't happen to share your opinion on a whole plane-load of issues, doesn't mean 'I hate America'. I'm fairly surprised you think this, you always seemed quite rational in previous discussions.

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