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Offline sgtdeaux

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« on: October 20, 2005, 09:30:39 PM »
Attention all shortbus riders.. (GV drivers)
If you look in the aircraft forum there is a request for the anti-tank version of the stuka.
below it are 40 posts from people who are fearful that this plane will end the game in GV's as we know it.
Let me sum up my request for this airplane with the following phrase.
A 200MPH PLANE WITH TWO 37MM GUNS WITH 6 ROUNDS EACH THAT WAS COMMONLY REFERED TOO AS THE "FLYING TURKEY" WILL NOT UNBALANCE THE GAME."
you people seriously need to deal with that fact that airplanes thru the war continually spanked tanks.. tigers ect...
the addition to the stuka gun boat will not destroy the game... Ive been flying stukas since I started this game I average about 2 stuka flights a night...
Thisis not an overly fast or heavily armed/armored plane.. there is no reason to perk it..
There is no reason to chicken little the entire post because its a request for a plane thats not another fighter.
This is a plane that will require great skill and finesse to use as an effective killer... just the way the current stuka does...
AH staff please add this plane to the game and ignore the plebians who are unable to see past the nose on their faces.
-sgt deaux
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2005, 09:56:28 PM »
I remember we had the 87G when I used to fly WB2, very good ground attack plane but virtually useless if there is any fighter cover around. We even had it when there were no ground vehicles to attack, its only use was to de-ack fields and hit ships. I agree that it would be a great anti-vehicle ride that wouldn't affect game balance adversely. If anything it would be a nice option to up it when the badguys start spawning osties right under the only flight path away from your field.

However I can already see the a2a dweebs saying "you've already got a Hurricane with 40mms, why do you need a Stuka with 37mm cannons?"
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2005, 10:09:19 PM »
Yep people will complain about it, actually thay already are on the other forum. I like the idea though. I say bring in as many different planes as you can in this game. The more the mearier.

To those that say perk it, my reply is, I think your scared of change.

"It'll unbalance the MA!!!!!!"

Bull. We need more planes to fly and fight with and against. So what if it turns into a hanger queen? It was in the war so it should be here. This game is about WWII combat correct?

I would love to see every plane and vehicle that saw combat in WWII in this game, no matter if it was a piece of crap or the hottest thing going.

Bring em all!!!!!!!
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Offline Tails

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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2005, 10:39:19 PM »
Like I said in the other forum, they dont want this plane because they dont want to have to worry about something called 'air support' when they roll their tanks. It's about time something was out there that would make tank drivers think twice about rolling without some friends above them.
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2005, 12:56:58 AM »
Nothing match 1000lb in terms of antitank effectiveness. Except for 4000lb :eek:

Ju87G will not unballance game, it will be pretty useless imho.
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2005, 11:25:20 AM »
Yea, its just like the 87 we have in the game, useless, unless u have other buddies with you that are protecting you. Be the same with the Ju87G cuz it slow, takes skill, and u need buddies still. If the GV guys are ganna complain about it when there in the field, y dont they take a couple of M16, or Ostwinds with them on their missions. Doenst take much thought, to know that the M16 and Ostwinds is not just to protect fields, but for GVs as will.

I say bring the Ju87G, I like a little challange in the air and on the ground.
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2005, 01:37:59 PM »
I think with the current damage mdelling on vehicles, the 87G would only really be useful against non-tank vehicles (M16s, M3s, M8s). I regularly watch 40mm shells bounce off the tanks, so I doubt it would be too useful against the Tigers, Panzers, and T34s as the damage model stands now. Maybe not even the Osties.

But it would be absolute murder against the halftracks and armored cars. And probably a more stable gunnery platform (slower, fixed gear, heavier) than the HurriII also.

Allies get the Sturmovic (which is flown more as a fighter anyway...) so why not give the Germans something comperable? Might be a great addition for scenarios and CT-type setups.
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2005, 01:56:01 PM »
Bigger caliber doesn't mean better penetration.  The 37mm on the Stuka absolutely dominates tanks.
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Re: Anti-Tank Stuka
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2005, 09:38:44 PM »
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Originally posted by sgtdeaux
Attention all shortbus riders.. (GV drivers)
If you look in the aircraft forum there is a request for the anti-tank version of the stuka.
below it are 40 posts from people who are fearful that this plane will end the game in GV's as we know it.
Let me sum up my request for this airplane with the following phrase.
A 200MPH PLANE WITH TWO 37MM GUNS WITH 6 ROUNDS EACH THAT WAS COMMONLY REFERED TOO AS THE "FLYING TURKEY" WILL NOT UNBALANCE THE GAME."
you people seriously need to deal with that fact that airplanes thru the war continually spanked tanks.. tigers ect...
the addition to the stuka gun boat will not destroy the game... Ive been flying stukas since I started this game I average about 2 stuka flights a night...
Thisis not an overly fast or heavily armed/armored plane.. there is no reason to perk it..
There is no reason to chicken little the entire post because its a request for a plane thats not another fighter.
This is a plane that will require great skill and finesse to use as an effective killer... just the way the current stuka does...
AH staff please add this plane to the game and ignore the plebians who are unable to see past the nose on their faces.
-sgt deaux


Cant you just say you want the stuka to have the right guns? :rolleyes:
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Re: Anti-Tank Stuka
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2005, 11:47:03 PM »
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Originally posted by sgtdeaux
Attention all shortbus riders.. (GV drivers)
If you look in the aircraft forum there is a request for the anti-tank version of the stuka.
below it are 40 posts from people who are fearful that this plane will end the game in GV's as we know it.
Let me sum up my request for this airplane with the following phrase.
A 200MPH PLANE WITH TWO 37MM GUNS WITH 6 ROUNDS EACH THAT WAS COMMONLY REFERED TOO AS THE "FLYING TURKEY" WILL NOT UNBALANCE THE GAME."
you people seriously need to deal with that fact that airplanes thru the war continually spanked tanks.. tigers ect...
 


they did. They just for the most part Didnt do it with bullets.
the Very vast majority of Tanks. and german tanks in particular were destroyed not by bullets but by bombs.

Now may an uber gun stuka might have been able to take out the thin skinned Shermans( AKA by allied forces ad purple heart boxes). But thats another story. And we dont have Shermans here.
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2005, 05:05:39 PM »
In case you'd like to see what it could look like:
« Last Edit: November 02, 2005, 05:08:32 PM by MOSQ »
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2005, 06:08:54 PM »
I lost count on how many times this model has been suggested and Im still highly against it.
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Re: Re: Anti-Tank Stuka
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2005, 06:32:31 PM »
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they did. They just for the most part Didnt do it with bullets.
the Very vast majority of Tanks. and german tanks in particular were destroyed not by bullets but by bombs.

Now may an uber gun stuka might have been able to take out the thin skinned Shermans( AKA by allied forces ad purple heart boxes). But thats another story. And we dont have Shermans here.


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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2005, 06:24:50 AM »
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A 200MPH PLANE WITH TWO 37MM GUNS WITH 6 ROUNDS EACH THAT WAS COMMONLY REFERED TOO AS THE "FLYING TURKEY" WILL NOT UNBALANCE THE GAME.



 A 200mph plane with two 37mm guns with 6 rounds each that was commonly referred to as the "flying turkey" will not unbalance the game...

 ... for planes that fly over 250mph at deck with multiple cannon and heavy machine gun armament that flies much more graceful and deadly, which is commonly referred to as a "fighter aircraft".

However

 ... for hulking metallic brutes with 10~80mm armour that drives around at 35mph tops that is commonly referred to as the "tank", which a single hit from that "flying turkey" will immediately disable or destroy...


 ... yeah, it does.



 It may be a flying turkey against fighter aircraft, but its totally irrelevant. Against that "flying turkey", the tanks are "turkey fodder", and that, is where "balance" is to be discussed - between the turkey and the turkey fodder, not between eagles and turkeys.
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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2005, 06:53:04 AM »
Thats why they need to bring an osti or m16 with each tank.  Or here's  a though bring some fighter cover.



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