Perked because they're rare...

[Krusty]

I'm just thinking up vague ideas for future perk planes. The idea I've got lately is to think up a list of planes that add variety (something to spend perks on) so that once you earn perks you can use them on something. These planes would ALL be perked, and not necessarily at cheap prices, depending on the impact on gameplay (the impact on gameplay would determine how many perks, but all would be perked for rarity reasons). The point is to add perk planes that are NOT perked because they are super planes, nor because they are uber late war planes, etc. Perked for scarcity/rarity.


a couple I suggested start the list out just because I'm thinking as I type:

He100D (not likely)
Fw187
G.55 (might have to perk the c205 for rarity in this case, too)
SpitV with 4x20mm (Yeah.. I have to add this but I think it'd have a high price)
F6F-5N with 20mm (I doubt it but I'll add it to be fair)
Fw190 with a torp under it
Soviet C-47 with dorsal turret and 1xShVak (I think)
190a5 with a 2x20mm gunpod under each wing (4 in pods 2 in wings 6x20mm total but loses lots of performance) -- this was used but relatively rare.
B-17 with heavy payload (B17s could carry over 10k, but operationally took 5-6k. It was rare, but could do it for shorter ranges, so perk it)
Bolton Paul Defiant (pretty useless, IMO, but kinda rare)
Brewster Buffalo (rare as hell and flies like crap )

Add other solutions here. If it totally out peforms other planes in several areas, then chances are it doesn't fit this topic.

[Treize69]

I really like the idea, but while we're on the topic, how about perking certain loadouts on common aircraft.

Like the P-38G with rockets, the N1K1 with extra ammo, or the La-7 with 3 cannons.

[Krusty]

You can't do that. It doesn't work that way. Plus the LA7 with 3 guns should be perked for performance reasons, not for rarity (lol).

You'd have to make 2 planes, each with only 1 loadout, and then perk one of them. That would be REALLY confusing for newbies. Especially since there are several p51s, 47s, 38s, 40s, me109s, fw190s, and so on and so forth.

Some of the ones I already suggested fall into this problem area.

Do you have any ideas for individual aircraft?

[lasersailor184]

Name one plane that is perked because it is rare and not for performance.

[Krusty]

We've been over that. You were wrong.

Let's move on shall we?

[Treize69]

Rare one that I'd love to see, but will never happen, would be the IAR 81C.

[lasersailor184]

If I'm wrong, then can you name one plane that is perked because it is rare and not because of performance?

[Treize69]

Lets see, other rare ones that Id like to see (gave a quick flip through a few of my books and jotted down the ones that caught my eye)

M.S.406
D.520
Fairey Swordfish (I just wanna see a biplane )
Gloster Gladiator (same reason)
Fairey Firefly
Henschel Hs 129
Bf 109T (the carrier may never have seen action, but the planes built for it did)
He 177 (Axis bomber w/ 2,400Kg of bombs and 1,200Km range)
Sm 79 Sparviero (to go with the Italian fighters)
P-39 (just because)
B-25G or H
J2M Raiden
Ki-45 Toryu
TB-3 (HUGE russian 4-engine bomber)
Pe-8 (HUGE later war russian 4-engine bomber)
I-16 Rata

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Treize69

Fairey Swordfish (I just wanna see a biplane )
Gloster Gladiator (same reason)
Fairey Firefly
He 177 (Axis bomber w/ 2,400Kg of bombs and 1,200Km range)
Sm 79 Sparviero (to go with the Italian fighters)
P-39 (just because)
B-25G or H
Ki-45 Toryu
TB-3 (HUGE russian 4-engine bomber)
I-16 Rata

Those ones aren't rare Adding them would be one thing (if/when they get added) but they don't quite fit into this category. The others were good, though. I'd temporarily forgotten about the MS planes. Also the AIR 80 was a good suggestion.

[straffo]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
If I'm wrong, then can you name one plane that is perked because it is rare and not because of performance?

Ta 152, this plane is close to useless in the MA.
A lot of non perk are more suited to the game, either low ,either high.

[lasersailor184]

First off, It's not useless.  Up high almost nothing can catch it.  It's about due for an update soon too.  From what I've read, updated speed and stuff.

[Raptor]

Too many planes that were mass produced to start thinking about the ones produced in small quantities.
I think when the planeset fills up start adding planes that were rare and perk them for that, and give a higher perk price to the high performers.

[Krusty]

As usual you've brought up a good point.

I agree that we have many holes in the planeset, but I'm not realistically expecting any of these rare planes to show up any time soon. We definitely need to get the important holes filled before we get "frivolous". But someday we might get some of these.

[Treize69]

IMO, if HTC ever started to really fill out the Eastern Front planeset, the IAR series would not be at all frivolous. 461 of all variants were produced (small by US standards, but a massive production run for Romania), and many fought through to the end of the war, both with and (after August of 1944) against the Germans. It was used as both a fighter and fighter-bomber, and its armament options as the series progressed ranged from 4 7.92mm MGs in the IAR 80 (initial production model) through various combinations of MGs and Cannons of either German or Belgian (licensed before the war) manufacture, through to the final IAR 81C with 4 FN-Browning 7.92mm MGs and a pair of MG 151/20s. I have seen photos of what look like 81Cs with a pair of 13mm MGs instead of the quartet of 7.92mm, but I haven't seen this variant listed anywhere, so I think it was probably either a test fitting or a field mod.

I no longer have my old G7V site up, but I used to have a table on there comparing the IAR performance with other fighters of the period. If I recall correctly, its top speed in the 81C variant of 1944 was almost identical to the SpitV, with the lightest wing loading of any major wartime production fighter I could find. Couple that maneuverabilty with its pretty decent firepower, and you get a damn good dogfighter- which is probably why it could catch the USAAF offguard, they always thought they were encountering older-model 190s. Instead it was basically a radial-engined Spitfire.

In case you can't tell, thats the one I REALLY want to see in AH some day!

[ahgod69]

a couple I suggested start the list out just because I'm thinking as I type:

He100D (not likely)
Fw187
G.55 (might have to perk the c205 for rarity in this case, too)
SpitV with 4x20mm (Yeah.. I have to add this but I think it'd have a high price)
F6F-5N with 20mm (I doubt it but I'll add it to be fair)
Fw190 with a torp under it
Soviet C-47 with dorsal turret and 1xShVak (I think)
190a5 with a 2x20mm gunpod under each wing (4 in pods 2 in wings 6x20mm total but loses lots of performance) -- this was used but relatively rare.
B-17 with heavy payload (B17s could carry over 10k, but operationally took 5-6k. It was rare, but could do it for shorter ranges, so perk it)
Bolton Paul Defiant (pretty useless, IMO, but kinda rare)
Brewster Buffalo (rare as hell and flies like crap )

Add other solutions here. If it totally out peforms other planes in several areas, then chances are it doesn't fit this topic. [/B]

Never
Saw limited (questionable defense of factories) activity
Yes, no perks
Another spit????  Training wheels stopped in 1st grade.
No, too many US rides anyway
Yes, gives you somthing to do besides play cards otw to the field
No, I like it but to IL2

Ask GV users, and cv protectors on this one (NO)
That is  like asking benedict arnold to a fight and giving hiim a gun with no bullets.

Yes the Finns want it, and besides it did kick the ruskies ****