Author Topic: IL-2... Interesting (Read 1913 times)

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #15 on:** July 12, 2001, 02:01:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Staga:
SW if you count light MG, AK-47 and RK-62 as an automatic then answer is yes.
Night shootings with tracers were fun, specially if you loaded clips with only tracers. It was nice sight to see all those tracers bouncing around the sky after they hit rocks in ground.

Tracers have a straight flight path, don't normally violently change direction then change direction again to move forward at the same velocity.

Which is why I say that B17II's tracers are funky. If you rip out the tracer file in one of the omf mods, you can find out exactly what the various tracer effects are.

One of them is a funky tracer effect that is really wierd, something you would only see from a cameras point of view due to vibration.
-SW

LLv34_Snefens · « **Reply #16 on:** July 12, 2001, 02:01:00 PM »

Just guessing I would say it was more of a bug in the AI than the FM.

Like the AI not being "informed" it has lost that part. I remember something like it could be seen in EAW, where bombers with engines shot out could still keep up with the rest in the formation, until suddenly they changed from "formation-AI" (to save CPU) to "individual-AI" program and fell behind fast.
I am no programming guy, so don't know the technical terms.

Snef

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #17 on:** July 12, 2001, 02:08:00 PM »

Snefens, I know what you are talking about. It happened when you smoked one or both engines (not shot out.. just smoking), the planes that were smoked actually became faster than the planes without smoked engines and would extend away from the formation of planes that weren't damaged.

But if you shot out one of their engines (prop stops spinning), they break out of formation and stuff.

Now, if you shoot off a wing then the plane would go down. No arguing about that, that is all part of the FM.

The AI is seperate of the FM, it a part is missing the plane should fall out of the sky despite what the AI is trying to do.

It should go like this:

Horizontal Stabilizer shot off.

Values that Horiz Stab produces go to zero and produces no effect.

Plane loses it's rear lift factor and stability factors.

AI attempts to correct, but with the missing variables it can't do anything except twist the controls while falling out of the sky.

-SW

[ 07-12-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]

Gh0stFT · « **Reply #18 on:** July 12, 2001, 02:22:00 PM »

well if you ask me, its to much 3rd. person view

I would preffer to see more action from the pilot view.

Gh0stFT

Nifty · « **Reply #19 on:** July 12, 2001, 02:27:00 PM »

Actually, I think the plane lurched the stab was taken off. I'll have to look again at the film.

Well, it didn't lurch, but it did start rolling a bit, then it was corrected/countered. So this would lead me to believe that the stabilizer loss was taken into account by the FM calculations. Perhaps the effects of losing the stab in the calculation is what is off/incorrect.

LePaul · « **Reply #20 on:** July 12, 2001, 02:43:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Staga:
SW if you count light MG, AK-47 and RK-62 as an automatic then answer is yes.
Night shootings with tracers were fun, specially if you loaded clips with only tracers. It was nice sight to see all those tracers bouncing around the sky after they hit rocks in ground.

btw almost every adult male and some female person in Finland has been in army and all of them had their own assault-rifle in duty.

Geesh, good thing Jihad and his liberal cronies don't live there....they'd be trying to pry those guns away from you irresponsible folks....or tax the daylights out of you

jihad · « **Reply #21 on:** July 12, 2001, 02:50:00 PM »

Geesh, good thing Jihad and his liberal cronies don't live there....they'd be trying to pry those guns away from you irresponsible folks....or tax the daylights out of you <jest jest>

When have I ever made an anti-gun argument, or made comments about taxation other than to legalize drugs and tax the hell out of them?

<loads AKS-47 and SKS Paratrooper, takes aim on Le~Pews post>

P.S.

I'm not a liberal - just a realist.

Boroda · « **Reply #22 on:** July 12, 2001, 10:26:00 PM »

Funked (or can I call you Misha?

), it was a memory from the times when I flew at the REAL WB server, when the grass was greener, water was wetter, and +HT+ and PYRO ruled that world.

I can't remember when I flew sober that time

Maybe it was just the alcohol haze?

As for our server - we upgraded the connectivity and one brilliant guy from Ukraine wrote a great connection manager for FH, so I think that you'll not experience such problems again. And we have much more players now, since the German free WB server was closed this Monday...

Karnak · « **Reply #23 on:** July 13, 2001, 12:42:00 AM »

LePaul,

Have you seen the tax rate in Finland?

You'd scream.

BTW, this Liberal (me) supports gun rights. I just despise the idiotic "arguements" (read: lies) used by both sides.

Boroda · « **Reply #24 on:** July 13, 2001, 12:54:00 AM »

Edit:

I'm too drunk to speak....

Sorry.

[ 07-13-2001: Message edited by: Boroda ]

Staga · « **Reply #25 on:** July 13, 2001, 04:46:00 AM »

Dam I explained it wrong:
Automatic-rifles we were using weren't "ours" but property of army but everyone of us was given his "own" rifle by army.
Thought some ppl in reserve (Already done their time in army) I know have a Ak-47 or Norinco assault-rifle (semi-autos) and are using them in shooting ranges and in some reserve-organizations camps.

Tuomio · « **Reply #26 on:** July 13, 2001, 05:09:00 AM »

The tracers in assault rifles actually look like lazers. Only thing is their low muzzle velocity, so they do a big arc and when you hold that thing in your hand shooting full auto, the bullets go allover.
If you shoot with normal 1 bullet at time, you can easily lay all your bullets in 50cm area from prone position at 150 meters.

Now if youre seen the tracer lightsow put up by LMG, you know how lazer wars are going to look like in 2100..=) Those bullets go straight and FAST even when shot in 5 bullet bursts. When they hit the sandwall, the tracers bounce straight up looking very unrealistic.

I, like almost every finnish man, have served in army and ive sleeped MANY nights in tent with rifle in my sleeping bag warming me up..

Thats why your personal rifle is nicknamed "wife" in Finnish army..

Pepe · « **Reply #27 on:** July 13, 2001, 05:13:00 AM »

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Originally posted by jihad:

<loads AKS-47 and SKS Paratrooper, takes aim on Le~Pews post>

I still haven't posted here...yet

Cheers

Pepe

Pepe · « **Reply #28 on:** July 13, 2001, 05:33:00 AM »

I've seen the movie. I notice the following:

Very fluid movement.
Precise shoot landing spots. It seemed that each shot landing on the FW made it fall bits in its precise landing spot.
It would go with snefens. I see a bit of the Hrz. stab still attached to the left boom, dunno if that could explain. Besides that, the FW pitches violently when back section of left boom blows, as if THEN is when the stab goes away.
I am stunned with what happens from that moment on. Did you see the spin? From my point of view, the spinning fall is very well modelled. From the first pitch movement to the final one, where FW seems to stabilize the spin, falling with its no winged boom pointed to the earth....and the fuel leaks...hmmm. I really liked it.

This is a pretty big post so Jihad can aim easily.

Cheers,

Pepe

-lynx- · « **Reply #29 on:** July 13, 2001, 07:57:00 AM »

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EDIT: Added in FS:SDOE because I happen to own a copy of that!

SWulfe - shut up, you are not the only one!