Harriet Miers withdraws nomination

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Dowding
Politicians and political figures are never sacked. They are asked to resign. Sounds a very similar situation here.

Not really the same thing. I expect that Miers will continue as White House Counsel.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
And you don't know that she didn't withdraw of her own accord either.

You're right. I don't know, but I do doubt it.

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by oboe
btw, I just saw "Bowling For Columbine" for the first time this week
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Oboe, did you pick up on all the propaganda tricks? Did you even notice that Heston's clothing changes 3 times during that so called speech in CO?

[Clifra Jones]

I'm a Conservative, not a neo-con. I voted for Bush twice, not because I thought he was such great man but because the alternative was unthinkable. This nomination is just one more reason why we should never see another member of this family sit in the Whitehouse.

This president, just like his father, has betrayed the Conservative/Reaganist agenda again and again. While I support the efforts on the WOT he has been an embarrassment on the domestic side. He had shown typical old school Republican fear of the Leftist smear machine. He can't debate himself out of a wet paper bag. He cannot effectively persuade the American People to support his agenda, i.e. Iraq, Social Security, etc.

Jeb is my governor and has done a fair job so far. He has stated that he wishes to return to private life. I say fine, go. I will not support him in any run for the Whitehouse. It is time to put a Reaganist conservative at the front of the Republican party and in the Whitehouse.

Reagan won the cold war and a true Reaganist can win the WOT and put this country back on track and put Western Leftist/Liberalism where it belongs, on the "Ash Heap of History".

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by Sandman
Not really the same thing. I expect that Miers will continue as White House Counsel.

Bush has already stated that she will.

[indy007]

Originally posted by oboe
Indy, I understand it must be difficult to find someone in a foreign country who doesn't want to be found.   But we managed to find Saddam didn't we?    I don't think we are really looking for OBL anymore.   Looks to me like he got away with his crime.

Couldn't answer you on Novack. Haven't really followed it... but Saddam was sold out by one of his bodyguards. I was pointing out that the average Afghani doesn't understand what the price on Osama's head even means. Plus like many people pointed out, if you held a popularity contest, Osama would spank Saddam. I'd say we're still looking for him, in fact I've got friends slogging around in the mountains doing that right now, but I'm not sure if we'll find him before his kidneys fail.

[Seagoon]

Well, going back to the original tag-line, I'm amazed and pleased. This is one of the first times that I can remember that I called the Senate about an issue - in this case asking the NC senators to oppose the Miers nomination - and what I wanted, rather than the exact opposite actually came to pass.

That said, I'll be honest that I'm hoping and praying that Bush will now stop chosing leftovers from the crony trough and actually nominate a:

A) Qualified
B) Experienced
C) Strict Constructionist
D) With a proven and tested track record.

- SEAGOON

[oboe]

Clifra,

No, I didn't notice that his clothing changed during the NRA speech in CO.   I'm not sure how significant that is, though?    If his point was to show how insensitive the NRA was to hold a rally in Littleton so close on the heels of the massacre then fine, I agree - it was insensitive.   Probably foolish from a PR perspective but that could be debated.

I forgot to mention I enjoyed the interview with the creator of South Park.   I don't watch SP as its not my kind of humor but it's creator seemed to have a level head on his shoulders.    And he didn't blame the tragedy on guns.   Neither did Marilyn Manson, who I found interesting and well-spoken.    Helped me to see the individual behind the shock rocker persona.

So what's the deal on Walmart's changed policy on hand gun ammo?   Do they really not sell hand gun ammo anymore?   And that is going to solve exactly what?    I'm not sure.

He does seem to be a master at making people look bad.   James Nichols, the self-styled patriot and revolutionary, practically ready to lead an armed anti-government uprising himself and he's never even heard of Gandhi!   He puts a loaded 44 mag to his head and later says we have to be careful because there are wackos out there.

I enjoyed seeing the contrast in the interviews between the say nothing do nothing corporate spokespeople and the real emotion of some of the people who were involved in or touched deeply by the tragedy.  

I liked his abbreviated U.S. history cartoon, and I liked the sequence detailing all the CIA plots involving overthrowing foreign governments and assassinating their leaders.  Greed and Fear have certainly ruled the roost in our country for a long time.

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by oboe
Clifra,

No, I didn't notice that his clothing changed during the NRA speech in CO.   I'm not sure how significant that is, though?    If his point was to show how insensitive the NRA was to hold a rally in Littleton so close on the heels of the massacre then fine, I agree - it was insensitive.   Probably foolish from a PR perspective but that could be debated.

Point is most of what was said in that "speech" was not said in CO. It was said in other speeches made long before the Columbine incident. Fact is the rally in CO was scheduled before the Columbine incident. Is it right to cancel this event and cause all those companies and employees to lose that income due to having this event cancelled? My point is that Moore plays this game in every one of his films and books and he counts on his faithful audience not to catch this. Says a lot about what he thinks of their intelligence.

[oboe]

I dunno - it was just the 'us' vs 'them' rhetoric in the speech that just about anyone could've predicted anyway.   That said, the movie style was supposed to be a documentary so I think he should've stuck with what actually happened at the Littleton rally, not edit together a bunch of snippets from different speeches.  I can see how you would fault him for that.

As far as the fairness of cancelling the already scheduled rally, I recall the movie saying that Marilyn Manson cancelled his last 5 tour dates due to the tragedy.   Just a question of sensitivity - the Manson cancellation caused lost income too I'm sure.

[GtoRA2]

Oboe
 So the Bush admin has come out an embraced torture?

 Did I miss a story?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Seagoon
Well, going back to the original tag-line, I'm amazed and pleased. This is one of the first times that I can remember that I called the Senate about an issue - in this case asking the NC senators to oppose the Miers nomination - and what I wanted, rather than the exact opposite actually came to pass.

That said, I'll be honest that I'm hoping and praying that Bush will now stop chosing leftovers from the crony trough and actually nominate a:

A) Qualified
B) Experienced
C) Strict Constructionist
D) With a proven and tested track record.

- SEAGOON

yup I'm right there with ya on that one goony


OTOH,
I love the fact that liberals are taking the time to point out that the right is falling apart over this.  I havn't seen much mean spiritedness (that we see quite often on the left) from the right in reguards to the miers nomination.  This goes to show that the right can have a discussion of ideas and what not.

[oboe]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Oboe
 So the Bush admin has come out an embraced torture?

 Did I miss a story?

Washington Post editorial piece:

Vice President for Torture

Also highlights from a story in the Boston Globe

The Senate voted 90-9 three weeks ago to attach McCain's amendment to a military appropriations bill, in a bipartisan vote that was seen widely as a rebuke to Bush administration policies following detainee abuse scandals at Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib, and elsewhere.

McCain's proposal would do two things. First, it would restrict military interrogators to using only techniques authorized in the Army Field Guide, imposing firmer limits on military prisons.

Second, it would prohibit torture and other forms of cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment of detainees in US custody anywhere in the world. That rule would extend to CIA agents and officials from allied governments.

Several weeks ago, the White House threatened to veto the military appropriations bill should the final version contain McCain's proposal, citing Bush's need for flexibility in setting policy for the treatment of prisoners in the war on terrorism.

I can barely believe it as I read it over again....

[Torque]

oboe...http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/view/

[GtoRA2]

Interesting.

Thanks for the info.