Update#2 - Aircraft and Vehicle Service Dates

[Mister Fork]

Changed:

F4U-1D - 4-44
P-51D - 5-44(ETO)
B5N2 - added

What we shoul de attempting to figure out is what dates make sense for SEA and CTA scenarios.  Dates reflect a combination of active squadron service dates or if known, first action dates.  They'll help SEA and Combat Theatre admins work out scenarios and what aircraft can be available to balance the gameplay.  Again everyone, check the dates, and lets see if we can decide what works best.

Aircraft and Vehcile Service Dates


Aircraft
USA
A-20G ... 5-42
B-17G ... 6-43
B-24J ... 5-43
B-26B ... 5-42
C-47A ... 12-41
P-38G ... 11-42
P-38J ... 12-43(ETO) 2-44(PTO)
P-38L ... 7-44
P-40B ... 1-41
P-40E ... 8-41
P-47D-11 ... 3-43(D5) to 1-44(D11)
P-47D-25 ... 5-44
P-47D-40 ... 1-45(ETO)
P-47N ... 6-45
P-51B ... 12-43(ETO),8-44(CBI)
P51D ... 5-44(ETO),1-45(CBI&PTO)
F4F-4 ... 9-41(ETO),5-42(PTO)
FM-2 ... 6-44(ETO),10-44(PTO)
F6F-5 ... 7-44
F4U-1 ... 2-43(ETO),4-44(ETO)
F4U-1D ... 4-44
F4U-1C ... 4-45
F4U-4 ... 4-45
F6F-5 ... 7-44
SBD-5 ... 5-43
TBM-3 ... 2-43

Britain
Boston MK III ... 5-41
Hurricane Mk I ... 5-40
Hurricane IIC ... 10-42
Hurricane IID ... 6-42
Lancaster III ... 3-42
Mosquito Mk VI ... 7-43
Spitfire Mk IA ... 8-40
Seafire IIC ... 10-42,11-43(ETO)
Spitfire V ... 4-41
Spitfire Mk IX ... 7-42
Spitfire Mk XIV ... 9-44
Spitfire Mk XVI ... 7-44,7-45(CBI)
Tempest V ... 6-44
Typhoon IB ... 6-43

Soviet
Il-2 Type 3 ... 10-42
La-5FN ... 3-43
La-7 ... 6-44
Yak-9T ... 1-43
Yak-9U ... 7/8-44

Italy
C.202 ... 11-41
C.205 ... 1-43

Japan
A6M2 ... 7-40
A6M5b ... 8-43
B5N2  ... 7-40
D3A-1 ... 7-40
Ki-61 ... 6-43
Ki-84-la ... 8-44 (CBI),10-44(PTO)
Ki-67 ... 4-44
N1K2-J ... 1-45

Germany
Ar 234B ... 12-44
Bf 109E-4 ... 5-40
Bf 109F-4 ... 6-41
Bf 109G-2 ... 6-42
Bf 109G-6 ... 2-43
Bf 109G-10 ...10-44
Bf 109G-14 ... 7-44
Bf 109K-4 ... 10-44
Bf 110C-4b ... 8-40
Bf 110G-2 ... 5-42
Fw 190A-5 ... 6-43
Fw 190A-8 ... 2-44
Fw 190D-9 ... 9-44
Fw 190F-8 ... 4-44
Ju 88A-4 ... 5-41
Me 262 ... 10-44
Me 163 ... 9-44
Ta 152H ... 1-45

Vehicles
USA
LVT(A)2 ...2-44
LVT(A)4 ...3-44
M-3 ...3-41
M-8 ...9-42
M-16 ...5-43

Germany
Ostwind ... 8-44
Panzer IV Type H ... 8-44
Tiger I ...8-42

Soviet
T-34 ... 2-43

Theatres of Operations
PTO - Pacific
ETO - Europe
CBI - China-Burma-India/CHINA-BURMA-INDIA

[Bruno]

Fork you can eliminate the G-10 from the list of German aircraft, after the next patch it will be renamed correctly as a 'K-4'.

[Bruno]

Also the PIV/H

Panzerkampfwagen IV Ausf H tanks were issued to Panzer Regiments in Panzer Divisions and were used in that role to the end of the war. On June 6th of 1944, majority of Panzerkampfwagen IV tanks present in France were Ausf H.

Ausf H production began in '43 (Apr. 1943 - July 1944). I am not sure when they were firts issued to Panzer units but its sfae to say well before 8-44.

[Karnak]

You have the Spitfire Mk XVI listed as 7-45 (CBI).  This is incorrect.  The Spitfire Mk XVI did not see service in the CBI.  The Spitfire MK XIV did though and it's service date there is 7-45.  I'll see if I can get the Mosquito Mk VI's CBI service date for you tonight.

I'm not a Hurricane expert, but there is no way that the Hurricane Mk IIc first saw service in Oct., 1942.  It was introduced no later than early 1941.

[Squire]

I listed 10-42 for the *Sea Hurricane* IIc as ETO in a previous thread.

Hurricane IIC should be 10-41, which I think was its date before.

"F4U-1 ... 2-43(ETO),4-44(ETO)" ? Should be 2-43 (PAC) 4-44 (ETO).  

If you like you can go with 1-44 for the P-38J in the PAC. I will quote what I have on that from "P-38 Lightning Aces PAC"- page 51:  

"P-38J 42-6713 SCREWY LOUIE of Lt. Lous Scriber, 80thFS/8th FG Finschafen, Jan 44".  Assigned operationally. There are several other Js listed for 1-44 as well.

...and you have the F6F-5 listed twice, both at 7-44?

A6M2, B5N, and D3A should all be 12-41 not 7-40, and date prior to 12-41 for the IJN is irrelevent.

[Karnak]

Squire,

10-41 is still way to late.  Stanford Tuck flew Hurri IICs in combat, the moved to Spit Vs, was sent to the USA, then came back and flew Spit Vs more and was shot down and captured in Jan, 1942.  Oct, '41 doesn't give enough time.

[Squire]

I bow to your sources Karnak, its all I had handy. Could you find that one for us?

PS You sure Tuck didnt fly a Hurricane IIA? or IIB?

And remember we are looking for a service dates, not "Hawker delivered its 1st one on X date". - I have been avoiding anything like that.

Forgot about the Spit V in PAC 1-43 (RAAF in Australia). No.1 Wing, RAAF.

[Kev367th]

Still have a hard time putting the Tiffy as 1943.
Ok it has a bubble cockpit and 4 bladed prop, but the engine seems to be a hybrid. Not early model or any intermediate/late model.
4 bladed prop did 1 thing -
Shortened take off run when 'heavy'. Did little else, even by the Air Ministries own admission.
So putting it as a 1943 Tiff because of the cockpit would be equivalent of making the current Spit IX 1943 because of 50-cal options.
Hopefully will be sorted out when it's remodelled.

[Squire]

Its also the loadout, it did not carry bombs prior to 6-43 on ops. So its a combo of its armament and boost.

But if you have a case to make with a source, fire away, its a free country.

[Kev367th]

Lol.
Yup it's akin to our current 'hybrid' Spit IX.
Depends if you want to base it's date based on ord/armament capabilities or engine?
If ord/armament then the current IX would be 1943 also.
If engine, well there seems to be no real world equivalent to whatever is in our Tiffy, seems to be a hybrid.

Most of the mods done to Tiffs were to do with structural strengthening, especially the tail cone area.
As no aircraft seems to be modelled with particular 'weaknesses' I would assume this is a non starter (same as reliability). In fact our current Tiffs big weakness seems to be it's wingtips, despite being big hulking wings.

[Bruno]

It's not the load or the bubble top, its the performance / engine.

Even though the boost gage says 7lbs that can't be correct for the speed and climb it has in AH.

So its either 9lbs, 11lbs or 13lbs...

The date I gave Fork in the other thread was for:

Typhoon Sabre IIa +9lbs April 1943. The Hawker Typhoon and Tempest. Mason

That is the most conservative guess for the lowest possible boost. Even then it is still faster and climbs better then it should for 9lb boost. In fact it could easily jump into '44 if it is a 13lbs boost Typhoon as some seem to think:

See this thread: Typhoon speed performance

From that thread:

I think +13 lbs/sqin is spot-on! I get 410 mph @ 12800 ft for R7700, and it would be more for RB329.

I guess that must be one of the engine-consuming settings Eric Brown talked about :-)

Does "Langley" refer to a US testing location? What's the story behind this?

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

So whatever hard time you have for '1943' is just something you will have to get over..

[Squire]

I think the combo of bombs, boost, and performance gives a @6-43 date a level of "reasonableness" to it, considering its the only Typhoon AH has.  I recall several debates before about it.

Also by summer of 1943 the Typhoon is in service with a more than just a few Squadrons, and the Hurricane IIC is really too long in the tooth by then.

The list isnt a "competition",  its a guide for events and such, and that should be kept in mind. I think a few posters keep missing that point, whenever Mr Fork asks for service dates.

BTW I would think a Fw190 date pror to 6-43 would be helpfull. There is no varient prior to the A-5, but what would be a reasonable sub? A-3, A-4? After all the Spit F IX is there as of 7-42.

Perhaps 3-42 (Spring 42). Just a suggestion.

[Kev367th]

OK fair enoguh on the Tiffy.

RE D9 - Sep 1944? at the 1.8ata boost we have in AH2?

Thoguht it was later.

[1K3]

oh yes the D-9s.

1st batch that were released in sept 1944 had no MW-50

the 190D-9s with MW-50 is a 1945 plane

190D-9 with MW-50 should be classified as 1945 plane

[1K3]

Fw 190D-9 (with MW-50 boost) ... Jan-45