Author Topic: Nickname of P38? (Read 6471 times)

Widewing · « **Reply #45 on:** November 13, 2005, 01:41:44 AM »

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Originally posted by cempa
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My my, such a pissy argument... No one misread anything other than what you wrote. If you meant something else, then write what you mean.

I have not made any effort to insult you, but you apparently have a micro-thin skin. So be it. I cannot understand why you insist on making a big deal out of this, and I find it preposterous that you still attempt to parse your original comment.

Without cause or justification, you call me disrespectful, arrogant and insincere. Bad form there fella. Especially since you have been the one dripping of condescension from the outset... Kinda full of yourself, aren't you?

Widewing

Widewing · « **Reply #46 on:** November 13, 2005, 01:58:58 AM »

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Originally posted by cempa
Are you trying to claim that you fly a P-38 just like a spit, Ack-Ack? Just like one? I don't think so. Unless you fly it just like (as in exactly like - look up the words, if they're causing you difficulty) a spit, then you are just arguing for the sake of arguing, nitpicking just to be spiteful.

Is it possible to be more obtuse? Now you're calling someone else names...
Ack-Ack, he called you a Richard! Egad, he says you're spiteful person too!

Spiteful? Cempa, spiteful would be calling your score into account to show that you fly with the same level of craft with which you argue. But, we're not spiteful here....

Widewing

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #47 on:** November 13, 2005, 02:32:07 AM »

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Originally posted by cempa
Are you trying to claim that you fly a P-38 just like a spit, Ack-Ack? Just like one? I don't think so. Unless you fly it just like (as in exactly like - look up the words, if they're causing you difficulty) a spit, then you are just arguing for the sake of arguing, nitpicking just to be spiteful.

You should see me fly a Spitfire and then fly a P-38. The only difference you'll notice are that the planes are different. Whatever I do in the Spitfire (in the very rare times I fly it) I do the exact same thing in the P-38 and vice versa.

ack-ack

Tac · « **Reply #48 on:** November 13, 2005, 10:41:32 AM »

Thats because you hack Ack-Ack

cempa · « **Reply #49 on:** November 13, 2005, 12:29:32 PM »

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Murdr · « **Reply #50 on:** November 13, 2005, 12:52:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
Also keep in mind that Bong was given priority assignements during his tour and often flew with whatever unit happened to be closest to the action.

Bongs "freelance tour" was only 3 months long, during which he scored #s 22-28. After that he was in theater assigned as a gunnery instructor, and used creative means to find combat. Like 'observing' his gunnery students, or slipping his way into Leyte because he was qualified under the order "Send only experts on short landings in this first contingent". After his 28th victory, he was half-heartedly discouraged from combat.

Shortly after 12 April 44. Message from the Pentagon to Gen. Kenney

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Concern is expressed over the high loss rate of fighter pilots who have shot down many enemy aircraft. Your comments are requested concerning the desirability of restricting from action combat flying or return to United States of this type of personnel. A case in point is Captain Bong, who is credited with twenty-seven enemy aircraft. Only very recently we have lost the invaluable services of Colonels Kearby and Lynch.

Arnold

11 Oct 44 From Gen Kenney to Gen Arnold:

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During the strike on Balikpapan by five heavy-bomber groups on October 10th, Major Richard Bong in a P-38 accompanied the escorting fighters to observe the results of the gunnery instructions he had been giving since his return from the United States. While conducting his observations, he was forced in self-defense to shoot down two Nip aircraft. While regrettable, this brings his offical score to thirty enemy aircraft destroyed in aerial combat. Have cautioned Bong to be more careful in the future.

Kenney

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Congratulations to Major Bong on his continued mastery of the manly art of self-defense. Feel sure your warning will have desired effect

Arnold

29 OCT to Gen Arnold

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In accordance with my instructions, Major Richard Bong is trying to be careful, but the Nips won't do their part. On the twenty-seventh, five hours after arriving at Tacloban, Bong was again forced to defend himself and number thirty-one resulted. On the twenty-eighth, while looking for suitable localities for airdromes in the vicinity of Tacloban, he was assaulted by two more Nips who became numbers thirty-two and thirty-three. Unless he was bothered again today, this is his latest score.

Kenney

Arnold's reply

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Major Bong's excuses in matter of shooting down three more Nips noted with happy skepticism by this headquarters. In Judge Advocate's opinion, he is liable under Articles of War 122 (willful or negligent damage to enemy equipment or personnel).

Arnold

Widewing · « **Reply #51 on:** November 13, 2005, 05:30:06 PM »

Well Cempa, I suspect that after Skuzzy reads this on Monday you're likely to be censured... Certainly the content of your posts will be deleted at the minimum.

Is there any particular reason why you cannot behave yourself and argue without nasty personal attacks and inappropriate language? Your bad form only gets worse with each post.

Widewing

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #52 on:** November 13, 2005, 09:22:55 PM »

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midnight Target · « **Reply #53 on:** November 14, 2005, 06:08:21 PM »

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cempa · « **Reply #54 on:** November 14, 2005, 06:08:45 PM »

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Crumpp · « **Reply #55 on:** November 14, 2005, 06:18:53 PM »

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I'll let you 80th level wizards with the really leet magic wands discuss your virtual leetness among yourselves.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #56 on:** November 14, 2005, 06:38:35 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
I just wasted 15 minutes reading this whole thread.

Cempa has a good point. He was busted in the chops for something he was percieved to say, and even after he explained it he was busted again. I think WW should take a close look at the chest pounding he's doing in this thread and maybe make amends.

Regardless

MT

Horsechit. From both you and cempa.

Here is what he said:

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Richard I. Bong, the first U.S. WWII ace to surpass Eddie Rickenbacker's WWI kills, and the U.S. WWII ace with the most kills altogether was a P-38 pilot.

The P-38 is a wonderful plane in AH2 for airfield attacks. Is it a pure dogfighter? Of course not. If you try to turn and burn in a 38 as if you're in a spit, then you're just asking to die. But there is very little funnier than someone in one of those itty-bitty gnat planes trying to follow you down from alt and get on your tail when you turn at speed and watch his wings fall off as he tries to follow.

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I'm pretty sure Bong was not the first to beat Rickenbacker, I'm pretty sure it was Joe Foss. And then Boyington.

Further, the people Widewing mentioned will blow the vast majority of people right out of the sky should those people should decide to TnB with them.

Not to mention, while designed originally as a bomber interceptor, the P-38 was a pretty adept dogfighter, in pretty much every theater it was deployed in, provided it was flown by an accomplished P-38 pilot.

Widewing isn't doing much chest thumping, but cempa is slinging a ton of Bravo Sierra defending a statement he never should have made.

Widewing · « **Reply #57 on:** November 14, 2005, 07:03:00 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Cempa has a good point.

Then he should wear a hat....

"Chest Thumping"?? Please, get a grip. Better yet, troll somewhere else.

This thread will likely be locked, and not due to holding Cempa's feet to the fire for his mis-statement, but for the outright nastiness he has introduced into it.

I'm not interested in crawling into the gutter and exchanging insults with this guy.

My regards,

Widewing

JB42 · « **Reply #58 on:** November 14, 2005, 07:26:11 PM »

I have come across all those guys mentioned and lost more than i have beaten them, however, i have beaten them enough to know that the 38 isn't an uber plane, it's the pilot flying them that makes the difference. AKAK doesn't miss many shots, Widewing is a mind reader and kappa, killnu and lazzer don't give you a chance at an advatage at the expense of perhaps trying to gain one on you. Fester is a God, but I also have beaten him (3 times to be exact

). Pilot, not the plane.

midnight Target · « **Reply #59 on:** November 14, 2005, 07:37:51 PM »

Bravo Sierra... how neato of you to use that militalk.

Fer crying out loud. Maybe the guy mispoke. Maybe not. The point is that he clarified his point and he was still treated like a p-38 upping from a capped field.

Oh and WW.... maybe some people have a point to make and maybe it isn't even trolling. Maybe just maybe it's just somebody who disagrees with you.

Rigar mortis
MT