Author Topic: Nickname of P38? (Read 6478 times)

Murdr · « **Reply #60 on:** November 14, 2005, 09:52:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I'm pretty sure Bong was not the first to beat Rickenbacker, I'm pretty sure it was Joe Foss. And then Boyington.

Nope, Bong was the first.

38ruk · « **Reply #61 on:** November 14, 2005, 10:00:52 PM »

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"Chest Thumping"?? Please, get a grip. Better yet, troll somewhere else.

Ive read alot of widewing's posts and ive never seen him "Chest thump" lol. He knows his stuff ,his posts are some of the most informative reading in here, calling him a braggart and other garbage is far off base . 38

Squire · « **Reply #62 on:** November 14, 2005, 10:01:10 PM »

Bong was the first because when Joe Foss got his 26, they sent him home to the USA. Foss was the first American ace to equal Rickenbackers WW1 score, flying F4Fs in the Solomons.

Vudak · « **Reply #63 on:** November 14, 2005, 10:03:40 PM »

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Originally posted by cempa
Thanks for the support, MT. I just don't think they get it. They're still going off on me while the guy who really did dis the P-38 in this thread hasn't had a word said to him. It's pathetic. It's a prime example of the good 'ol boys club.

I don't mean to offend, but it seems to me that you don't get it cempa. Please allow me to explain my reasoning:

- Furball was speaking in jest, and not many people here ever take him seriously. This is the guy who produced the "Nooook!" picture, after all

. If you were registered here for more then 14 days at max, you would realize this.

- AKAK is one of the finest 38 pilots in the game. Period. Run a search for some threads on the 38 and you will find films, descriptions, and testimonials to back this claim up. There's actually a really good thread about the P38 vs. the old SpitV which would be right up your alley. You should read what he has to say in there before claiming he's agreeing with Widewing just to be a "Richard".

- Widewing is a very respected gentleman and a very capable pilot. All I got from his first few posts was that he was having a civil discussion with you, and respectfully disagreeing. One might call such a thing a debate. It is possible, you know, to have such a talk without resorting to name calling. This does require some tact and maturity.

- What I have read from your posts leads me to believe that you are either a troll, a newbie who is getting off to a fabulous start here, or a person who may be young, and may be ashamed, upon reflection and aging, of the way they acted when they were younger (aka, now).

I really wasn't trying to offend you when I sat down to type this. I'm not sure that really worked out.

Widewing · « **Reply #64 on:** November 14, 2005, 10:15:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Murdr
Nope, Bong was the first.

Foss tied Rickenbacker on January 15, 1943. Number 27 was not observed to crash, so it was scored a probable.

10 days later he was sent home. Malaria kept Foss from seeing combat again as CO of VMF-115 (F4U-1) and he was forced to give up command due to his illness.

Bong scored his 27th on April 12, 1944.

Robert Johnson got his 27th about 3 weeks later.

My regards,

Widewing

Debonair · « **Reply #65 on:** November 14, 2005, 11:15:06 PM »

Boyington, I've read a lot of doubt that he did reach that score, but his book was as good as Rickenbacker's if not better

Murdr · « **Reply #66 on:** November 15, 2005, 07:22:00 AM »

Bong was officially credited as being the first to beat Rickenbackers score...thats all I was saying, and it is correct.

straffo · « **Reply #67 on:** November 15, 2005, 07:59:08 AM »

"I alway thought the P38 was a bomber"

Excerpt from my new book : "how to make friend" by Straffo

Crumpp · « **Reply #68 on:** November 15, 2005, 08:38:43 AM »

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"I alway thought the P38 was a bomber"

That's ok, Straffo. The Luftwaffe thought it was just a target.

It was mentioned as the most desirable USAAF fighter to encounter in air combat.

All the best,

Crumpp

Sable · « **Reply #69 on:** November 15, 2005, 08:43:09 AM »

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Originally posted by SMIDSY

and furball, most of the american aces in WWII were P38 pilots and P47 pilots. so stuff that in your pipe and smoke it.

Just out of curiosity, do you have a source to back that up? From what I've read, #1 and #2 for american aces were the F6F and P-51 respectively.

straffo · « **Reply #70 on:** November 15, 2005, 08:57:50 AM »

It's a joke Crumpp !

I don't know what the german thought of the P38 ,the only think I know is some of the P38 jockey present in the thread can wipe me like if I was a fly.

Crumpp · « **Reply #71 on:** November 15, 2005, 09:56:57 AM »

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I don't know what the german thought of the P38

Wish picturehanger was up so I could post this document. Found a combat report from JG2 dated 14 Dec 1942.

In it the P38 is refered too as the "Großer Gewehrkugelschwamm". Not sure what that means.

So there we have it.

All the best,

Crumpp

Squire · « **Reply #72 on:** November 15, 2005, 12:31:02 PM »

I beleive he meant for the USAAF re aces.

I do think the F6F actually produced the most US aces for any one type, but I will have to dig that one up. It has to be amongst the top contenders.

midnight Target · « **Reply #73 on:** November 15, 2005, 04:01:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
Foss tied Rickenbacker on January 15, 1943. Number 27 was not observed to crash, so it was scored a probable.

10 days later he was sent home. Malaria kept Foss from seeing combat again as CO of VMF-115 (F4U-1) and he was forced to give up command due to his illness.

Bong scored his 27th on April 12, 1944.

Robert Johnson got his 27th about 3 weeks later.

My regards,

Widewing

So Cempa was correct?

Murdr · « **Reply #74 on:** November 15, 2005, 05:00:54 PM »

April '44 Rickenbacker to Bong

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Just received the good news that you are the first one to break my record in World War I by bringing down 27 planes in combat, as well as your promotion, so justly deserved. I hasten to offer my sincere congratulations with the hope that you will double or triple this number. But in trying, use the same calculating techniques that has brought you results to date, for we will need your kind back home after this war is over. My promise of a case of Scotch still holds. So be on the lookout for it.