Bomber guns

[IownU]

Originally posted by ghi
All the bomber that have "formation" option CAN"T up a base with ord down.
 Q ;Why can i up IL2s    ??

back in WWII ghi they only upped bombers loaded with bombs never did they up bombers empty if bombers upped they were uppin for a mission so in this case we can not up bombers with no ords cause you have to up bombers with ords in them. IL2s where also used to defend against low alt bombers and the wirlbwinds thats why they have great noses on them so they can take a hit or two but if you pop them in the tail one hit from osty and bye bye IL2 hope this helps to understand it

[999000]

Bomber guns are alot like fighter pilots or bikes.......its not the bike its the guy on the Bike

[MrRiplEy[H]]

The difference to real life is that irl all buff gunners must do their own aiming. They don't have the benefit of aiming through the tailgunner position and shoot according to that information.

Instead the side gunners have a very limited visibility through their observation hole making them blind to the enemy which only top, bottom or rear turret gunner sees.

That added to reaction time means that a zooming enemy will pass the line of sight before the gunner can even react. In AH the player just follows the enemy from the ideal observation point and each gun shoots whenever it is possible to the aiming solution.

Imagine the difference - seeing enemy all the way and aiming vs being surprised by a passing enemy with your gun pointing elsewhere.

In short, individual gunners will always be less effective than AH single control is now. Against multiple enemies there is mostly one (1) gun more pointed at the enemy on average. That's not much given the fact that IRL bomber gunners were also targeted and disabled easily. MG rounds through fuselage killed gunners from the first passes.

AH needs cannon hits and serious damage before a gunner pos dies.

[Kweassa]

Another problem, which I'm surprised you guys didn't mention, is that the bullet streams from one bomber passes through other bombers without inflicting damage. There's no "interrupter gear" in work for drone buffs, like the one we have applies to the vertical stab.

 As a result, the historically more probable method of buff hunting doesn't work. Technically, the outer most buff should be the most vulnerable. In a 3-plane formation like we have, hitting the left or right drones in respective directions should be able to negate the fire from the other two buffs - except it doesn't.

 In short, where ever you are, as long as the gun position has a firing angle, you will ALWAYS face multiple guns from all three bombers.

[IownU]

Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
The difference to real life is that irl all buff gunners must do their own aiming. They don't have the benefit of aiming through the tailgunner position and shoot according to that information.

Instead the side gunners have a very limited visibility through their observation hole making them blind to the enemy which only top, bottom or rear turret gunner sees.

That added to reaction time means that a zooming enemy will pass the line of sight before the gunner can even react. In AH the player just follows the enemy from the ideal observation point and each gun shoots whenever it is possible to the aiming solution.

Imagine the difference - seeing enemy all the way and aiming vs being surprised by a passing enemy with your gun pointing elsewhere.

In short, individual gunners will always be less effective than AH single control is now. Against multiple enemies there is mostly one (1) gun more pointed at the enemy on average. That's not much given the fact that IRL bomber gunners were also targeted and disabled easily. MG rounds through fuselage killed gunners from the first passes.

AH needs cannon hits and serious damage before a gunner pos dies.

thats fine cause i would rather have LTAR manning my buff guns then me havin to pop in them to shoot some dweeb down at 1k:aok

[mechanic]

there is no real problem with the buff guns.


If you sit still on a buff's tail and he kills you from 1000yrds, then he is a good shot and you are pwned.

the only semi problem is, as stated, that they fire through each other giving more lead out than possible.


if you are being killed by buffs more than killing them, you are not attacking them correctly for the AH world.  doesnt matter what real life was like right now, adapt to what we have or be shot down again.

[OOZ662]

Originally posted by LTARkilz
back in WWII ghi they only upped bombers loaded with bombs never did they up bombers empty if bombers upped they were uppin for a mission so in this case we can not up bombers with no ords cause you have to up bombers with ords in them. IL2s where also used to defend against low alt bombers and the wirlbwinds thats why they have great noses on them so they can take a hit or two but if you pop them in the tail one hit from osty and bye bye IL2 hope this helps to understand it

One period in two paragraphs...new record!

The basic reason in easy-mode terms; Big bombers are made to bomb stuff. They always carry bombs. IL2s were made as a generic defense and didn't always carry bombs or rockets. Sometimes the beat on planes, others they strafed stuff. As long as you don't have bombs or rockets, you can up when ord is shot. Same goes for PTs.

[IownU]

Originally posted by OOZ662
One period in two paragraphs...new record!

The basic reason in easy-mode terms; Big bombers are made to bomb stuff. They always carry bombs. IL2s were made as a generic defense and didn't always carry bombs or rockets. Sometimes the beat on planes, others they strafed stuff. As long as you don't have bombs or rockets, you can up when ord is shot. Same goes for PTs.

first of all i dont care how many periods i add in my text be lucky i added one moil hates it when i dont add any of them and if you pork ords you can still spawn ptboats you just cant up them with rokits and torps got to kill vh to stop ptboats

[viper215]

Originally posted by ghi
All the bomber that have "formation" option CAN"T up a base with ord down.
 Q ;Why can i up IL2s    ??

cause your ghi