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Offline Widewing

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« on: November 10, 2005, 11:51:35 PM »
For most of the the new additions:

Speed with WEP at 50 feet flying with 25% gas I measured with E6B:
337 mph for Spit Mk.VIII
343 mph for Spit Mk.XVI
359 mph for Spit MK.XIV
369 mph for Bf 109K-4
347 mph for Bf 109G-14
337 mph for Bf 109G-6
304 mph for Spit Mk.Vb
303 mph for Seafire Mk.IIc

Time to Climb, based on 300 mph at 50 feet for start to 10,000 feet are as follows:
Spit Mk.VIII: 1:44.72
Spit Mk.XVI: 1:38.38
Spit Mk.XIV: 1:44.69
Bf 109K-4: 1:43.19
Bf 109G-14: 1:45.72
Bf 109G-6: 1:53.79

Tested acceleration of Spit Mk.XVI. Time to accelerate from 200 mph to 300 mph: 30.88 seconds. For comparison, the Dora does it in 30.83 seconds and the Yak-9U needs 37.40 seconds....

In terms of handling, we flew lots of duels.

Spit VIII against Spit XIV: Spit VIII is superior in roll, turn rate and radius. Climb is dead even, slight edge in level acceleration by SpitXIV. The Mk.VIII won every fight. The SpitXIV is faster, but not as easy to fly.

Spit XVI vs La-5FN... Lavochkin was outclassed....

Spit XVI vs La-7... Better match up than La-5 was, but results generally same. Eventually the La-7 has to bug out or die.

Spit VIII vs Yak-9U... Yak was in trouble if E was equalized. Spit accelerates faster and outclimbs Yak (easily). Turning was also no contest. Yaks should avoid the Mk.VIII unless it has a good E advantage, and then know when to run.

Spit VIII vs La-7... Similar to Yak, but La-7's better acceleration helps. Can't beat Mk.VIII in vertical, can't out-turn it. Must stay fast and avoid blowing E. In short, the La-7 will be lucky to win starting Co-E, Co-alt.

Spit XVI vs Ki-84... Spit climbs better, out-turns the Ki-84 above 175 mph, and can still hang with it below that, although the Ki-84 turns tighter with flaps out, the Spit can use its better climb and acceleration to keep it competitive. Three duels, Ki-84 lost all three, but it wasn't easy. If the Spit was flown flaps out and stall fighting, the Ki-84 would have advantage. Avoid that trap and the Spit's better performance will prevail.

The Spit Mk.Vb and Seafire Mk.IIc are once again dogs... Just as agile, but not as good in vertical and considerably slower.

Two bugs noticed:

SpitXVI sheds wings under moderate loads, not as rugged as the Mk.VIII in that regard.

109G-14, you can break off the tail if you bounce the tail wheel too hard. Other 109s do not do this.

The Spit Mk.IX just became a hanger queen....

Finally, unperk the SpitXIV and put that perk on the Spit XVI, which will surely be over-used (and it's a monster to boot).

My regards,

Widewing
« Last Edit: November 11, 2005, 12:17:11 AM by Widewing »
My regards,

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« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2005, 12:11:38 AM »
All the Spits I have tested shed their wings easily.  That would be Mk VIII, Mk IX and Mk XVI.

This seems odd as Spits did not have a reputation for doing so.
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« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2005, 12:16:37 AM »
Thanks for the lowdown widewing!:aok

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« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2005, 12:19:03 AM »
109s doesnt even break a wing... thats weird

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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2005, 01:38:56 AM »
Hmmm.  Turned Combat Trim on and the wings didn't break anymore.  I wonder if Spit wings were always this weak?  I haven't flown them much since I turned Combat Trim off permanently after flying the Ki-84 a lot.

I did fly the Mk XIV a bit after HTC lowered the perk price and I never shed any wings on it.  I don't know.
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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2005, 01:58:42 AM »
Offline they seem fine with combat trim off. I have pulled blackout turns with the 16, wings stay on. Dove at 500+ TAS, no probs.

Arena bug? stick config troubles?
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2005, 02:07:24 AM »
I've ripped the wings off online and offline.

Dive to 350, roll to the side and pull hard on the stick.  It'll grown a bit and then the wings'll pop off.
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2005, 02:19:44 AM »
hmmm 109s dont even do that, im crying foul!

i tried to break a wing in 109s, nothing happens, just like the new P-38s

u can break p51 and 190s wings but u have to be above 400mph

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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2005, 02:32:05 AM »
Karnak, how excited are you about the XVI?

The only way I could reproduce your problem was to carry 2 bombs on the wings bud :)

Same with the VIII, only with a center bomb will the wings rip off under high-g.
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2005, 03:08:24 AM »
The Mk XVI performs very well, but I am not a fan of clipped Spits.

The Mk VIII is much more my kind of Spit.  It was the least likely for us to get and it was the one I wanted most really.

As to the wing ripping, I don't know what to say.  I wonder if there is some factor related to the system AH2 is being run on.  My system is very similar to Kev's.
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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2005, 04:47:33 AM »
Uhm, have you guys checked the "unrippable wings" option in the "flying" preferences?
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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2005, 04:59:34 AM »
i'm a sucker, I looked!!!!!  :)

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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2005, 05:39:20 AM »
"hmmm 109s dont even do that, im crying foul!

i tried to break a wing in 109s, nothing happens, just like the new P-38s"

So what? They have quite differnt sized wings and their rigidity is obviously different, too.

Or is the Spitfire's wing magically more durable despite of its size?!?

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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2005, 08:50:08 AM »
I took the spit 14 out against all the Spit 16's.  Maybe those people just don't know how to handle a Spit, but the 14 dominated the 16's.
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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2005, 09:59:18 AM »
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Originally posted by Charge
"hmmm 109s dont even do that, im crying foul!

i tried to break a wing in 109s, nothing happens, just like the new P-38s"

So what? They have quite differnt sized wings and their rigidity is obviously different, too.

Or is the Spitfire's wing magically more durable despite of its size?!?

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They didn't rip them off.  Only time that became an issue was when they first started sticking bombs on the IXs and during pullout if the bomb didn;t come off some shed wings from the extra weight and stress.

They didn't pull them off turning or diving.

That being said, I didn't notice that at all last night flying either the VIII or XVI.
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