Why was 109G10 retired ??

[JAWS2003]

Originally posted by AutoPilot
And Jaws those games you desctibe may be better at graphix but none of them allow you too play that many people in 1 arena,talkin to at least 20 of them them on the same channel.

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  I'm talking about how planes are modeled here (FM, DM, weapons, ammo, .....). It has nothing to do with graphics, is all clear there. You see, to me is important that planes match their historical counterparts.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
Maybe you should spend the rest of your month in the CT,or check out the SEA events like the Weds. snapshot.Not everyone in this GAME agree's with everyone else but some of us do like to have fun still. [/B]

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 Already did, CT is fun but it has 3-7 pople online at one time. That's not masive multiplayer.

[Sable]

Originally posted by JAWS2003
I can't say much about the 109's. I like FW-190 for long time. In AH FW-190 never had a fair fighting chance, was never treated fair, EVER.  Here if you are in a D9 you either run like a chicken or die.  A8, you can't really call it  a fighter. A5 is fun, but just compare it with it's contemporary enemies.
 

Are people seriously complaining about the 190D9?

Even the A8 is pretty darn good as long as you make sure to get some altitude under you before you engage.  It may turn like a truck, but the roll rate is awesome, and it's a very stable gun platform ... combine that with the 4 x 20mm that makes any snapshot an instant kill.  Everyone whines about people HOing them with LA7s and such - well the A8 is you answer.  And the A8 can outrun the new Spits on the deck with it's boost.  Honestly I think it's one of the better perk farmers out there right now - it's got enough ammo for someone like me with 5% gunnery to land 5 and 6 kill sorties repeatedly.

[SOUP]

Originally posted by SpinDoc1
I wouldn't exactly call the MG useless, ghi.  13mm are slightly larger than US .50 cal (at 12.7mm), and they seem to be able to take some parts off of aircraft when concentrated well.  You can also use them to range other aircraft and get them to break off a run-away maneuver.  That way they will be put in useful range of that 30mm.  I will agree that the spud cannon is hard to aim though...  better set convergence out at max, that way the trajectory drop isn't as pronounced (when it's set to D650, it won't have dropped as much by D300, whereas if set to D300 it will have dropped considerably).

Greetings..

Question... as I've never figured it out... does the convergence setting in AH2 affect drop of the round?  As I understand it, convergence isn't designed to take elevation into account but rather to adjust the horizontal convergence of the guns.  On nose mounted guns, convergence settings should be much less important than A/C with wing mounted guns.  I didn't think elevation was modeled in AH2.

As for the K4..

I have several concerns with the implementation of the 109K4.
The information I give here isn't necessarily correct, as with German Aircraft it is highly possible to find differing facts.  However I offer the following.

The K4 was a pressurized version of the K2.  In the early model K0s the Germans used both the 20mm /13mm configuration of the G10 as well as a 30mm/15mm configuration.  With the K2 and K4 they settled on the 30mm/15mm configuration.  AH2 lists the K4 with 30mm/13mm.  According to my source.. "The Great Book of WWII Airplanes" this would be incorrect.

The K4 at SL had a max speed of 378mph.  At 19,685' it maxed out at 452mph.

Offline... with 75% fuel the best I could manage on WEP, auto pilot, was 368mph at SL and 443mph at 19,685.  Thus I would suggest that the K4 is somewhat slower than the quoted performance figures.  The speed numbers appear in multiple locations on the WEB and in the quoted source above.  The armament issues are inconsistent depending on source with some quoting the 30mm/13mm vice the 30mm/15mm.

In any event, I think the K4 is close... but it needs to be tweaked to be truly representative of the historical aircraft.

SOUP
4510

[Grits]

Originally posted by SOUP
Greetings..

Question... as I've never figured it out... does the convergence setting in AH2 affect drop of the round?  As I understand it, convergence isn't designed to take elevation into account but rather to adjust the horizontal convergence of the guns.  On nose mounted guns, convergence settings should be much less important than A/C with wing mounted guns.  I didn't think elevation was modeled in AH2.

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It wasnt in AHI, but it is now. Moving the convergence distance also changes the verticle trajectory.

As for the K4..

The K4 was a pressurized version of the K2.  In the early model K0s the Germans used both the 20mm /13mm configuration of the G10 as well as a 30mm/15mm configuration.  With the K2 and K4 they settled on the 30mm/15mm configuration.  AH2 lists the K4 with 30mm/13mm.  According to my source.. "The Great Book of WWII Airplanes" this would be incorrect.

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That book is wrong, the 15mm was never used in a cowl gun.

BTW, welcome back Soup.

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Heya Grits....

That is interesting about the trajectory... good info.

I was playing with the settings the other night on a 190D9.  With conv set to 400 and firing at a 400m tgt... the MGs would hit at or slightly above aimpoint... the cannon would hit at or slightly below.

What confused me was when I moved the tgt to 100m  the cannon hit significantly below aim point.  I would have thought in close the cannon would be higher.... (until REAL close of course as the cannon are in the wings below the gunsight)  

In anyevent.... for cannon hits I should aim "high" at close ranges?  (seems counter intuitive)

Never have got my aim points figured out in here.


As for the 15mm... I've not found another source that corroborates the K4 having 15mm and as I mentioned in a "qualifier" trying to decide what the Germans had on their aircraft is often very hard as they had so many versions.  

Anyone else tried some speed runs to see if the speed is accurate on the K4?

[DipStick]

Originally posted by ghi
You must be kiding?!  Axis vs Allies ?!  AXIS planes are already mutilated, hadicaped , they fly like bricks, and this pach "fixed" the firepower,
  I wonder how did Galand, Priller and many more shot down 50-60 spits, if the 109s,Fw190s were soo bad

Cherrypicked.