Why was 109G10 retired ??

[AutoPilot]

Oh, I was only saying that we now have a less effective buff hunter. But probably your too dumb to understand

If you can't shoot down Bombers with a single Mk108 then you are the one too dumb to understand.

Nevermind, judging from your stats you dont even know whats buff hunting

Just because someone's stats are low or high doesn't mean a thing.If you can't shoot down a bomber with a single Mk108 then i know Scrap will hand your arse any way you want him too.

[outbreak]

Seen someone said the K-4 doesnt have Sufficient Fire Power, a LIE i am in love with the K-4 not only is it an EXCELLENT bomber ESCORT at 30k feet the climb rate is outrageous you can climb 20k feet in a matter of minutes, and its 600 13mm and the 30cm are well fighter killers just get 400 out and wait till they are dead ahead or in a turn pop a 30 right into there wing and watch that wing dissapear. The 109-K4 is the best 109 i have flown in a long time =]. Not to mention the Perfomance at all Altitudes. it gets a bit slow at climbing when u hit 30k but hey it rocks your socks! Escorted a bomber he was at 22k , Me and a Squadie was at 30k in 2 109-K4s we went over a HOT airfield and passed nearly 20 Planes and not 1 of them dared come near him because we had the Advantage =]. In other words im trying to point out that the 109-K4 is SWEET. If you havent flown it FLY IT.

[Furball]

Originally posted by outbreak
at 30k feet the climb rate is outrageous you can climb 20k feet in a matter of minutes

why would you want to fly at 50k?

[Grits]

Originally posted by outbreak
Me and a Squadie was at 30k in 2 109-K4s we went over a HOT airfield and passed nearly 20 Planes and not 1 of them dared come near him because we had the Advantage =]

LMAO...thats probably because the 20 guys you passed over were at 3k or less and knew you were a harmless alt-monkey who would never risk coming down to where the fight was, and therefore were less of a threat to them than the trees.

To stay on topic, yeah the K-4 is good, as was the G-10 it was called before.

[AutoPilot]

LMAO...thats probably because the 20 guys you passed over were at 3k or less and knew you were a harmless alt-monkey who would never risk coming down to where the fight was, and therefore were less of a threat to them than the trees

Maybe one day those same people that "fight" down on the deck will realize that the plane they are flying,fly's alot better at a higher altitude.
Everybody cryin cuz dey cant get dey furball on,or a La-7 ho-n-go'ed me.

No La-7's above 15-K,why not furball at a higher alt?The noobs that everyone complains about not check 6ing them,ramming them,stealing thier kills,none of those people are smart enough too climb up above 5  -K,and if they did it would be over to quick.

Just my 2 cents

[outbreak]

1st of  all i wasnt at 50k i forgot my . i was at 30k feet and i was saying that the K4 climbs outgrageously fast, 2nd The cons where at about 18-20k feet not at 3k they didnt dare touch the bombers because i mean hey when u got high alt Escorts id be scared to =]. And yes i like to fly at 30k in the K4 it is awsome that thing manuvers like a beauty.

[Grits]

I was merely pointing out why those guys below him didnt climb up to him as he flew over a "hot" base. He seemed to think it was his 109K they were avoiding, and I corrected that mistake. I do, however, have opinions on alt-monkeys:

Altitude is a crutch for the skillless. 98 out of 100 (but not all) people that fly at 30k dont know how to use an altitude advantage and do so because they can avoid the risk involved in a fight. The very rare times I do get to 30k for some odd reason, I find the quality of the fight those astronauts put up is rather lacking no matter what plane they are in.

Again to stay on topic, flown with some skill, the K-4 (just like the G-10 before it) is an outstanding "in the weeds" furballer. Its unfortunate more dont use it for that instead of cherrypicking.

[Swager]

Actual test show superiority in every aspect to the target 109.  Based on factual data the 109 was clearly a better airframe and would be hard to improve in the current configuration.  According to recorded data the rates of performance could not match the ratio of development time/cost.  So it's time as a front line asset was dwindling.

[scspook]

The MA is boring. Same thing day after day. I support any move for TOD to replace the MA as the dominant arena. Aces High is long overdue for a change in gameplay. New graphics are great but they should be a secondary priority.

[Kweassa]

Maybe one day those same people that "fight" down on the deck will realize that the plane they are flying,fly's alot better at a higher altitude.
Everybody cryin cuz dey cant get dey furball on,or a La-7 ho-n-go'ed me.

No La-7's above 15-K,why not furball at a higher alt?The noobs that everyone complains about not check 6ing them,ramming them,stealing thier kills,none of those people are smart enough too climb up above 5 -K,and if they did it would be over to quick.

 So, what are you gonna do if a La-7 meets you at 15k+ , mingles a bit and then gets disadvantaged, and then runs to deck, where he's got the advantage in speed, climb, accel, maneuverability and etc?

 Fights go downwards, not upwards. A superior climber like the 109 can go upwards to find temporary shelter or tactical advantage, but what goes up, must come down sooner or later. Unless there is a specific reason why planes should fly high, the MA is, and always will be, a low-alt slugfest.

[gatt]

Originally posted by AutoPilot
If you can't shoot down Bombers with a single Mk108 then you are the one too dumb to understand.

 

Just because someone's stats are low or high doesn't mean a thing.If you can't shoot down a bomber with a single Mk108 then i know Scrap will hand your arse any way you want him too.

No one said the Mk108 is not enuff to down a bomber.  True is that a single Mk108 is for sure not the best weapon to hunt bombers, be effective and stay alive. Boy, you look pretty dumb.

BTW, I'm not used to personal attacks.

[Wilbus]

Originally posted by ghi
imop,G10, was the best german fighter, not only bomber buster,
 K-4 with 65 rounds is going to be a hangar queen, like Yak9-T, those big caliber cannos are hard to hit something and the mgs are useless anyway, most players rtb when are out of cannon shells [/B]

I don't agree, in the G10 and former G6 I always only used 30mm and no gondolas, takes some time to learn to hit with the cannon but it is very rewarding when you know how to aim with it.

[Wilbus]

Originally posted by scspook
The MA is boring. Same thing day after day. I support any move for TOD to replace the MA as the dominant arena. Aces High is long overdue for a change in gameplay. New graphics are great but they should be a secondary priority.

Damn I agree with that!

Unfortunatly, I fear ToD, when it is finally released, will be nothing more then a bigger, more development expensive CT with almost no players in it.

Take a look at the pressent AH community, it's not a community that has their goals on realistic gameplay. It's a community that rather spends time flaming eacother online and in the forums while finding or flying in the biggest possible gang against the lowest possible enemy numbers.

I only hope I am wrong about ToD.

[Kolibri]

Didn't read all the replies but i will give a schort history of the 109.

The Bf109-G10 was not a straight modell. It was a modification of the 109-G5 and 109-G6 and some others.
The main modification was the "Erla-Haube" and the DB605-D engine with 1.800 PS (PS is a bit more than HP).
It had different weapon-sets and ofcourse u could mount gondolas.

The G14 was more a straight line than the G10, but even on this Modell you find different shapes. The enigine of the G14 had 1.475 PS and so it was not as fast as the G10.

The last serie was the K, K stands for "Kurfuerst".

The 109-K4 was equiped with 2 machineguns and 1 MK108 30mm cannon.

Later versions like the K6 had Gondolas.

So the G10 in AH was what it said. A bunch of modified G5's and G6's with the DB605-D engine.

The 109-G6 was never equiped with a MK108 30mm cannon. Only the version 109-G6/R4 could carry 2 MK108 as gondolas.

HTC did now all well and the versions are like they where historical.

I like it, keep it HTC.

NghtFire

[AutoPilot]

No one said the Mk108 is not enuff to down a bomber. True is that a single Mk108 is for sure not the best weapon to hunt bombers, be effective and stay alive

Plenty of "REAL LIFE" german pilots shot down bombers with single Mk108,maybe they sould have landed more kills so they could get their name up in lights,because that is what it's all about.

So, what are you gonna do if a La-7 meets you at 15k+

That's one dead La-7 at 15 -K,and let him runaway that's what they are good at.Ever wonder why there was very few Russian Aces?Prolly the same reason why Erich Hartmannn would shoot 4-6 of them down at a time.