Author Topic: Why was 109G10 retired ?? (Read 3273 times)

ghi · « **on:** November 11, 2005, 01:14:49 AM »

Was the best bomber buster in MA, Yep we got K-4, but without gondolas is not eficient,
Wasn't enough room in hangars for G10 ? I flew G14, but doesn't seem to have same climb rate. Lucky bomber pilots!
I see this like a sabotage of axis planes, Why the Spit 14 was not retired, cuz we got 2 new spits also?
G10 was the favoritte ride for a lot of players, it's sad to see it gone!

1K3 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 11, 2005, 01:25:56 AM »

The 109G-10 lives on as a 109G-14 or K-4... hmmmm

I think we need a 109 experten to answer why 109G-10 is replaced with G-14 or K-4. Im confused too

Karnak · « **Reply #2 on:** November 11, 2005, 01:33:44 AM »

The Bf109G-10 was replaced by the Bf109K-4. I think mainly because the Bf109G-10 had always been a Bf109K-4, but fudged up to have the 20mm and 20mm gondola options. I think HTC got tired of clueless people begging for a Bf109K-4 when they already had it so they just put in a pure Bf109K-4. The Bf109G-14 was added to fill the huge performance gap between the Bf109G-6 and Bf109K-4.

Bruno · « **Reply #3 on:** November 11, 2005, 01:36:53 AM »

The G-10 in AH has always been a k-4. It only had the G-10 name because they allowed a 2cm opiton. Just like other planes were given their correct name (P-47D-30 is now correctly named D-40 etc...) for AH2.

I am a bit puzzled why the K-4 has no gondola option when, historically it did. Read Caldwell, JG26's K-4s were delivered with gondolas ect... They were quickly removed however.

Karnak · « **Reply #4 on:** November 11, 2005, 01:43:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Bruno
I am a bit puzzled why the K-4 has no gondola option when, historically it did. Read Caldwell, JG26's K-4s were delivered with gondolas ect... They were quickly removed however.

Probably for the bolded reason. HTC seems to want to emphsize the more common combat versions.

The first Spitfire Mk XIVs hac universal wings with two 20mm and four .303s, but that option is now gone. Oddly, despite now having an "e" wing, the Mk XIV also lacks any ordinance capability. Not that it matters as nearly nobody uses perk aircraft for strike missions.

Bruno · « **Reply #5 on:** November 11, 2005, 01:56:10 AM »

I for one don't care anything about gondolas, who gets in a sports car to pick-up fat chicks?

3cm in the nose is all you need to bag the sexier fighter planes. Leave the dicke Autos alone, they will kill themselves eventually.

Squire · « **Reply #6 on:** November 11, 2005, 02:05:30 AM »

Well the XIV was almost exclusively used for air superiority roles, although it did do Jabo on some occasions. If HTC wants the option off for that reason, I dont see that as a big deal. Like you say, hes looking at real world loadouts not "what could have been" loadouts. Tempest could carry ord as well, but it was never used to do so, and it has no ord in AH.

Karnak · « **Reply #7 on:** November 11, 2005, 02:08:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Bruno
I for one don't care anything about gondolas, who gets in a sports car to pick-up fat chicks?

Yup, I see it the same way.

Squire,

I agree, that is why I didn't mention it until just now.

gatt · « **Reply #8 on:** November 11, 2005, 04:28:19 AM »

Well, actually our G-10 was a very good buff hunter. The right thing to make a scramble to defend the HQ. In the right hands it was lethal. It was my preferred ride after the C.205.

AFAIK the new G-14 with gondolas hasnt the same performance, as far as speed and ROC are concerned. But I have to check better.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #9 on:** November 11, 2005, 08:14:54 AM »

The removal of the 30mm in G6 and the gondola option on K4 are both unfortunate and unecessary developments and I'd hope to see them changed by HTC..

A cool thing I noticed on 109G6 is the inclusion of the clear head armor with the early heavy framed canopy, thanks for picking up on that one HTC!

Vipermann · « **Reply #10 on:** November 11, 2005, 08:53:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Squire
Well the XIV was almost exclusively used for air superiority roles, although it did do Jabo on some occasions. If HTC wants the option off for that reason, I dont see that as a big deal. Like you say, hes looking at real world loadouts not "what could have been" loadouts. Tempest could carry ord as well, but it was never used to do so, and it has no ord in AH.

Last time I saw the temp in the hanger there was a 2 1k option. Was this removed?

Squire · « **Reply #11 on:** November 11, 2005, 08:59:33 AM »

Musta been thinking of rockets. No, the bomb option is still there for the Temp.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 11, 2005, 10:21:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Squire
Well the XIV was almost exclusively used for air superiority roles, although it did do Jabo on some occasions. If HTC wants the option off for that reason, I dont see that as a big deal. Like you say, hes looking at real world loadouts not "what could have been" loadouts. Tempest could carry ord as well, but it was never used to do so, and it has no ord in AH.

Have you ever come across any photos of ETO based XIVs carrying bombs? When this came up it occured to me I don't think they ever carried bombs. They were always air superiority. The XVIs and LFIXs did the down and dirty bomb carrying work.

Can't find a photo of one that even shows the wing racks like the LFIX/XVI, not even on postwar XIVs. Interesting.....

Karnak · « **Reply #13 on:** November 11, 2005, 10:25:43 AM »

I cannot think of any mention of ordnance on Mk XIVs off the top of my head, no.

Meatwad · « **Reply #14 on:** November 11, 2005, 10:39:43 AM »

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I for one don't care anything about gondolas, who gets in a sports car to pick-up fat chicks?

I do. I pick one up and butter her up and then make her SQEEEEEEEEL like a piggy