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Offline Krusher

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« Reply #60 on: November 21, 2005, 08:39:25 AM »
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Everyone knows this cause your country sold him the raw materials to make the chemical weapons...

 


say what? This must be a LIE! I guess it is on topic afterall


Iraq Genocide trial for dutchman

A Dutch businessman has gone on trial accused of complicity in war crimes and genocide for selling toxic chemicals to Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
Frans van Anraat, 63, appeared before a war crimes court in The Hague, charged in connection with the 1988 chemical attacks on Halabja.

Prosecutors say he continued to supply industrial chemicals to Iraq after an export ban in 1984.

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« Reply #61 on: November 29, 2005, 03:51:31 PM »
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Libya has given up its WMD programs

Syria is out of Lebanon

Palestine is getting its statehood

Taliban is ousted and Democracy has come to Afghanistan (Freed Women for first Time can attend school, work and vote)

Iraq will soon be a democracy,

North Korea will soon negotiate a plane to dismantle it’s Nukes (that Clinton gave it)

What dose this all mean………………….











NOBEL PEACE PRIZE FOR BUSH.




Maybe a Nobel pos Prize..i could see that.
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« Reply #62 on: November 29, 2005, 04:27:22 PM »
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Maybe a Nobel pos Prize..i could see that.


???

I love how much BIAS everyone here swims in:rofl

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« Reply #63 on: November 29, 2005, 04:38:14 PM »
when is the GOP going to air it?

the sooner the better .. followed by more of the same
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« Reply #64 on: November 29, 2005, 06:42:34 PM »
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Maybe a Nobel pos Prize..i could see that.


again, ya got nothing :D

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« Reply #65 on: November 29, 2005, 10:58:05 PM »
sirloin, Im guessing rummie gave saddam the chems so he could kill Iranians, who called us the great satan, so its all cool.  Unfortunately saddie apparently experimeted on friendly kurds, and this upset us so we went in and arrested saddam when the time was right.

Grenada and Panama were justified right on successes last time I checked.  Arming the Contras helped defeat the nasty sandanistas, which was the goal and was a success last time I checked.

also, giving the iranians some old crappy munitions to kill iraqis with so the iranians would let some hostages go was a fair trade.

Actually, it was pretty brilliant, arming Iraqis to kill Iranians, and arming Iranians to kill Iraqis....too bad life aint so simple... never mind
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« Reply #66 on: November 29, 2005, 11:56:17 PM »
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sirloin, Im guessing rummie gave saddam the chems so he could kill Iranians, who called us the great satan, so its all cool.  Unfortunately saddie apparently experimeted on friendly kurds, and this upset us so we went in and arrested saddam when the time was right.

Grenada and Panama were justified right on successes last time I checked.  Arming the Contras helped defeat the nasty sandanistas, which was the goal and was a success last time I checked.

also, giving the iranians some old crappy munitions to kill iraqis with so the iranians would let some hostages go was a fair trade.

Actually, it was pretty brilliant, arming Iraqis to kill Iranians, and arming Iranians to kill Iraqis....too bad life aint so simple... never mind
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I still don't see the point.  Everything that's mentioned is an entirly different era.  Different stratagies, different policys, different enemys, different goals, different climate, just a different world all around.

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« Reply #67 on: November 30, 2005, 02:13:25 AM »
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Hmmmmm . . .

Well, no one ever said Saddam was in compliance which was the root of all Clinton's actions--UN compliance.  It was linking non compliance to de facto weapons programs that Bush stated flatly we knew without question were there and speciously linking them to 9/11.  Those are, again, false assertions that Bush made.



screeeeeeech,, hold on.
Point 1 the Bush administration never linked Saddam to 9/11 and even admitted they coudl find no link between the two.

Point 2 As far as The current administrations claims that Iraq had WMDs
He ddint make a claim that the intel agencies didnt also beleive or the the previous administration didnt say.

Each claimed or beleived Saddam had WMDs

the ONLY difference between Bush and clinton as far as claims to Iraq possessing WMDs is that Bush invaded Clinton didnt even though congress including several prominent Democrats practically begged him to

If Bush lied or misled on the intel. so did alot of other people, including the previous administration
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« Reply #68 on: November 30, 2005, 02:25:40 AM »
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Not as thin as your credibility Krusher.

Monday Bush said anyone calling for withdrawal was aiding terrorism, Tuesday Senate Republicans called for a withdrawal.

I guess the GOP senate is a pack of traitors?  

Aren't you glad the GOP is finally getting out and calling its own senators liars?

Bwahahahahahahahahaha

Sakai


Unreal the way you are trying to twist this one.
The GOP calling for a vote on withdrawal was to call the bluff on certain Democrats and to put on the recod exactly who stood where on this issue.
That way the Democrats couldnt  say "pull em out pull em out" without really meaning it just to gain a political advantage.

Basically the GOP said "Ok put your money where your mouth is" and the Democrats chumped out


In the end out of the both sides combined they had what, like 3 votes to bring the troops home out of both parties?

Now the Democrates cant say they re in favor of bringing the troops home right now because they are already o the record as voting against exactly that action
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« Reply #69 on: November 30, 2005, 08:31:47 AM »
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Oh really?  a quick fact check shows you to have the credibility problem LOL



You never learn do you Bush apology man?

I said GOP senators were calling for a withdrawal and that's a fact not at issue except in folks who refuse to read outside of their own preconceived set of ideas.

Fact, June 2005, Hagel Hammers Bush on Iraq:

6/27/05
Hit by friendly fire
With his polls down, Bush takes flak on Iraq from a host of critics--including some in his own party
By Kevin Whitelaw

Nebraska Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel is angry. He's upset about the more than 1,700 U.S. soldiers killed and nearly 13,000 wounded in Iraq. He's also aggravated by the continued string of sunny assessments from the Bush administration, such as Vice President Dick Cheney's recent remark that the insurgency is in its "last throes." "Things aren't getting better; they're getting worse. The White House is completely disconnected from reality," Hagel tells U.S. News. "It's like they're just making it up as they go along. The reality is that we're losing in Iraq."


Fact, the senate aksed for a specific timetable to be overseen by them:

Senate puts heat on Bush over Iraq; Asks for updates on progress
Wednesday, November 16, 2005

By Maeve Reston, Post-Gazette National Bureau

WASHINGTON -- Addressing rising concerns over the war in Iraq, an overwhelming majority of the U.S. Senate yesterday voted to require the Bush administration to lay out a plan for accomplishing the U.S. mission there and to report on it quarterly to Congress.

Seventy-nine senators voted for an amendment to a spending bill stating that 2006 should be "a period of significant transition" in which Iraqi security forces take the lead in protecting their citizens, creating conditions for a "phased" withdrawal of U.S. forces.

You're dishonest Krusher, you only cite what you believe, not what is factually occurring.  A damned liar, like those cowards Cheney and Bush.

Go ahead, revise what you want.  The only people who believe you anymore are the ones who would blame Clinton if Bush were caught sodomizing a 10 year old boy.  You're irrelevant because you got nothing but sound bytes and misreported nonsense.

Bush called everyone asking for a timetable dissenters who demoralized our troops, the next few days the GOP senate calls for a timetable overseen by themselves.

Fact, not your personal pipe dream about your dream Fuhrer, W.

Un american to question the president, right?

The 98-0 vote was a political stunt, the one that counted was the one that passed.  But why learn when you can spew Rihgt wing sound bytes googled off the net, ehh bucky?

Just keep making excuses and making up data junior, apologizing for crooks and liars is all yer good for.

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« Reply #70 on: November 30, 2005, 08:41:14 AM »
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Basically the GOP said "Ok put your money where your mouth is" and the Democrats chumped out


Right, that's why the White House released their "plan for victory" today because you can't have one out in public without dmeoralizing the troops right?

That's why the Pentagon announced a draw down is likely becaus eyou cannot say those things, right?

That's why Condi was sent out in public to announce a draw down was likely soon because you can't say such things without hurting morale, right?

That's why teh Iraqi political parties all called for a timetable, because one can't exist, right?

That's why the senate voted to have oversight of the process you can't have, right?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

Hey, Rush limbaugh said it guys, it must be true!

Bwahahahahahahahahaha

You boys need to read the news, not report the sound bytes to us, we all know what Cheney wants you to repeat.

What's it like, to never think for yourselves but simply repeat what the machine feeds you?

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« Reply #71 on: November 30, 2005, 08:43:17 AM »
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According to who ? the DNC, the NYT? or the 40 + current and former Presidents, Senators, Secretary of states, administration officials and  Intelligence agencies from around the world who all said the same thing.

It is time the Dems stop playing politics and come clean with their agenda to lie until it becomes the truth.

According to, no weapons found!  LMAO!  ROFL!

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« Reply #72 on: November 30, 2005, 09:19:29 AM »
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Right, that's why the White House released their "plan for victory" today because you can't have one out in public without dmeoralizing the troops right?

That's why the Pentagon announced a draw down is likely becaus eyou cannot say those things, right?

That's why Condi was sent out in public to announce a draw down was likely soon because you can't say such things without hurting morale, right?

That's why teh Iraqi political parties all called for a timetable, because one can't exist, right?

That's why the senate voted to have oversight of the process you can't have, right?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha

Hey, Rush limbaugh said it guys, it must be true!

Bwahahahahahahahahaha

You boys need to read the news, not report the sound bytes to us, we all know what Cheney wants you to repeat.

What's it like, to never think for yourselves but simply repeat what the machine feeds you?

Sakai


That vote was what. about 2 weeks ago?
Not that long to forget what brought it about.
I suggest you work on improving your short term memory

Oh and by the way. You spin poorly
The vote was for "immediate" withdrawal.
not a Drawdown



And just for the record.
Im not braindead enough to have a particular party affiliation.
You might find me decidedly liberal or conservative or anywhere in between depending on the subject at hand
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« Reply #73 on: November 30, 2005, 09:21:06 AM »
I guess in retrospect...  

It would have been prudent for the sadman to allow the inspectors to see anything they wanted for as long as they wanted...

He might still be enjoying a pleasant evening of watching people being tortured or enjoying a good crap on his gold toilet seat still.

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« Reply #74 on: November 30, 2005, 09:43:10 AM »
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I guess in retrospect...  

It would have been prudent for the sadman to allow the inspectors to see anything they wanted for as long as they wanted...

He might still be enjoying a pleasant evening of watching people being tortured or enjoying a good crap on his gold toilet seat still.

lazs


But that's still not the case.  Even after 1441 Sadam let inspectors back in and while they were at the frunt door he was up to his old tricks of moving stuff out the back.  

What people like Sakai and SkyRock don't seem to want to remember is that it has been US policy to enact regiem change in Iraq since 1998

They still can't prove that Bush lied.  They got nothing but spin and talking points.