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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2005, 07:08:36 PM »
See above. ^
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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2005, 07:19:39 PM »
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Ya Know, I do not realy disagree with "some" of what this thread has said. But I find it interesting that the thread starter and most avid supporters of this issue, is a group who do not fly bombers....ever!!!! They complain about bomber issues, say it is the easiest thing in the game to do but....they never do it ;)

They make fun of and taunt people who know how to bomb and enjoy capturing bases but they never partake in dropping hangers or buff flying??

They only claim to be interested in "one" aspect of the game, but claim to be educated on "all" aspects. Seems silly realy.

MMM very interesting. Last I heard you guys wanted nothing to do with those toolshedders, so if that IS the case, stop worrying about how they use their tools of destruction. :aok

That being said.......I agree that bombers should not be able do divebomb, however low level drops without using the sights should remain possible.


Ah, I was waiting for this.  

We actually do fly buffs sometimes.  And it will kill you to hear this, but Morph flies them more than anyone else in our squad.

It isn't that we hate them... well, other than lazs hehe. It's just that we live for the fight mostly, as others live for strat, goon driving, hording or whatever floats your boat.  That usually keeps us out of bombers.  But like Morph said before, there are times some of us do, and we have fun with it.

Just because you have a problem with us doesn't mean that Morph and others are wrong.  He's right.

Now go back to your buff and have fun.

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« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2005, 07:22:40 PM »
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Ya Know, I do not realy disagree with "some" of what this thread has said. But I find it interesting that the thread starter and most avid supporters of this issue, is a group who do not fly bombers....ever!!!! They complain about bomber issues, say it is the easiest thing in the game to do but....they never do it ;)

They make fun of and taunt people who know how to bomb and enjoy capturing bases but they never partake in dropping hangers or buff flying??

They only claim to be interested in "one" aspect of the game, but claim to be educated on "all" aspects. Seems silly realy.

MMM very interesting. Last I heard you guys wanted nothing to do with those toolshedders, so if that IS the case, stop worrying about how they use their tools of destruction. :aok



Want to make a bet? Before I ever got as involved with fighters as I am now,years ago all I did was fly bombers. I started off probably the same way many players do. They find a plane that they know about and loved to read about and get in it and start flying it. For me it was the B17. I had family members who flew in B17's durring WW2 so they have always, always been one of my most favorite a/c of the war, or a/c period. Time only permits me to get in a few flights on line now so I stick to short, fun, furballs. Which are getting harder and harder to find.

I have nothing, nothing against taking bases. I am completely against flying in hordes numbering over 50 just to take one single base. There is nothing tactical about that. There is no skill involved there. But then again, this thread isn't about taking bases is it now? So go hijack a thread that pertains to such things.

Back on the topic of bombers and Jabo.

What I see now, is many players just bombing the living hell out of anything they see just for the sake of bombing it. If they can't dive bomb it to death with a fully loaded P51 they'll dive bomb it with a fully loaded set of B17's. What these players dont understand is that it can be somewhat fun to actually HIT what you're aiming at when you drop from higher alt's. Sure the climb to the targets can be boring, but that's the way its saposed to be.

I constantly hear people getting upset because they are being yelled at on country channel for diving bombing, and how lame they are to do it. They'll come back with..." Well do you know how many fighters I flew through to get to that base??!?" Big fluff'n deal. Does it mater how many fighters they had to fend off otw to the target if they imediately die after they let their bombs go?

Dam right Im going to make fun of these people. They're helping wreck the game and further transform it to Quake High rather than Aces High.

Or should I compliment them on how wonderfly they augered into the gound with no wings on their B17's after they ripped off in the dive to kill the fighter hangers?
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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2005, 08:00:51 PM »
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Other then the low alt runs. exactly what historic backgrounds do the B17's, Lancasters, B25's have in dive bombing?



Yes, sorry, I suposed to say "low alt", bombing, not dive bombing, But what diference would it make in game,?!  fly over tgt on outside view and Bang!  i never mentioned B17s,
   mission "Tidal Wave" in B24s, Doolittle  in B25s .
  About lancs i'm not sure if was done , i remember  reading about a Lancs operation, low alt to destroy the dams in Germany.
I read about Ju88s,  doing same low alt  bombing, i remember the "88s, could get 800km/h in dive.  A234s were used dive bombing for bridges on west front,

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« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2005, 08:13:52 PM »
u rip the bks raptor than totally agree with morph in last sentence:confused:

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« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2005, 08:19:47 PM »
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Yes, sorry, I suposed to say "low alt", bombing, not dive bombing, But what diference would it make in game,?!  fly over tgt on outside view and Bang!  i never mentioned B17s,
   mission "Tidal Wave" in B24s, Doolittle  in B25s .
  About lancs i'm not sure if was done , i remember  reading about a Lancs operation, low alt to destroy the dams in Germany.
I read about Ju88s,  doing same low alt  bombing, i remember the "88s, could get 800km/h in dive.  A234s were used dive bombing for bridges on west front,


I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with low alt bombing runs using heavy bombers.

the only problem I have is with dive bombing heavies
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« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2005, 08:34:18 PM »
The Constitution of Aces High :

Chapter 1.        "Furballer vs. Toolshedders  "                

 Chapter 2.      " Level bomber and dive bomber "          

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Chapter 3.         Vulch, Ho, bomb FHs CVs, dive bomb in formation,spawn camp.  Do whatever offer you the highest orguzmatic sensation for your 15$

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« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2005, 08:44:37 PM »
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The Constitution of Aces High :

Chapter 1.        "Furballer vs. Toolshedders  "                

 Chapter 2.      " Level bomber and dive bomber "          

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Chapter 3.         Vulch, Ho, bomb FHs CVs, dive bomb in formation,spawn camp.  Do whatever offer you the highest orguzmatic sensation for your 15$


And sadly, it's this attitude that hurts the game. I don't think it's so unreasonable or earth shaking to ask for the bombers to be used properly.
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« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2005, 09:02:25 PM »
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The Constitution of Aces High :

Chapter 1.        "Furballer vs. Toolshedders  "                

 Chapter 2.      " Level bomber and dive bomber "          

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Chapter 3.         Vulch, Ho, bomb FHs CVs, dive bomb in formation,spawn camp.  Do whatever offer you the highest orguzmatic sensation for your 15$


Not at all ghi. I dont understand why you're trying to pull this out of topic the way you are. Well I do, it's because this is how you make your living for the most part when in a Buff. I've seen it, and filmed it, and fought against you doing it. And its usually when I'm killing one NOE buff formation, that another formation will slip by and pork/auger.

Its got nothing to do with being against anyone rather it has everything to do with being against an exploitable... a heavily exploited feature of the game. Its a loop hole really. And a cop out way of getting the "job" done.

If you want to make it a furballer vs Toolshedders than you're going to miss the bigger picture. Which doesnt surprise me in the least. Because most who are using bombers the way you do, the last thing they'll want is for this gamey little exploitable loop hole to be removed. And they'll want to dodge the subject and change it at all costs.

The bigger picture, the one you fail to see is that this most likely could improve game play, a small part, but still improve it none the less. And if it's changed, and I'm wrong, and it doesnt do squat to help game play, then I'll admit I was wrong.

So far, not one of you who are against removing the ability bomb while in external view have given me one good reason why it should stay as such, and why it is a good feature to have.

Im all for if it aint broke dont fix it. Well, this is pretty darn broke, and IMO needs fixing.
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« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2005, 09:12:34 PM »
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u rip the bks raptor than totally agree with morph in last sentence:confused:


As you guys should know I am not known for bbs ripping, trolling, arguing, hijacking, etc. I did not intend to rip the BK's, I have no beef with them and may enjoy a few sorties with them someday when we are both on the same side of the game. I know I have enjoyed many from the other side against them.

I absolutely agree that the guys dive bombing in big bombers are dweebs who can't do it the right (harder) way :aok It ticks me off to see it done on cv's.

My first point was only of my surprise that a group who makes it crystal clear they do not destroy targets on the ground, would care so much about...... well........people destroying targets on the ground.... and how they do it. :D

Hope I cleared that up, now, please carry on, don't let me slow yas down.

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« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2005, 09:18:50 PM »
P.S. :)

I do not think that making it impossible to drop in f3 mode is what should happen. There are times, when I have lost the time to calibrate, maybe my engine is out and im gliding down, or for other reasons I may want to make a drop using the old "eyeball" technique.

I think if something is to be done, make it so that you cannot drop eggs from a large bomber unless you are LEVEL. Or at least no more than 10% off level. This will stop the biggest problem which is the divebombing big bomber dweebs.

Wow!!! three posts in the same thread!!!!! Make me stop please!!!! :rolleyes:

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« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2005, 10:06:01 PM »
you know i cannot understand why this is  always a issue its simple if we can spawn gvs then spawn buffs to a alt lets say 10k i personaly do not have the time or do not want to take the time to fly for xamount of time to get to alt you would like me to bomb from.I fly low buffs and as far as im concerned that is no different then when you guys go to the middle of a sector and furball all night you think the Germans and BRITS said ok today we meet over london and lets get it on geezez.     if you dont like it then pork all the ords for 100 miles and be done with it. or like Morph said maybe some of my perks could be spent on some fuses so my eggs get delayed lol whatever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2005, 10:30:09 PM »
The discussion isn't about low alt buffs. It's about dive bombing heavies and the augering jabos. Low alt buffs are fine by me, what gets lame is the dive bombing sort that blow themselfs up along with the hangers.
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« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2005, 10:32:35 PM »
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you know i cannot understand why this is  always a issue its simple if we can spawn gvs then spawn buffs to a alt lets say 10k i personaly do not have the time or do not want to take the time to fly for xamount of time to get to alt you would like me to bomb from.I fly low buffs and as far as im concerned that is no different then when you guys go to the middle of a sector and furball all night you think the Germans and BRITS said ok today we meet over london and lets get it on geezez.     if you dont like it then pork all the ords for 100 miles and be done with it. or like Morph said maybe some of my perks could be spent on some fuses so my eggs get delayed lol whatever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2005, 10:50:17 PM »
I vote for the 'bombsight only' drop for the heavys. The GV fights on FesterMA have been ruined due to the treetop lancnotalents.