why not just remove the F3 / F4 external view option... As Morph stated earlier, I don't recall any pilots standing outside and ontop of there fuselage. I think this would get rid of allot of problems and make these low alt kamikazees either use F6 or eyeball it from the pilot seat. I fly buffs about as much as fighters and I know if I had the option to use the F3 view in a fighter, it would be very very hard for someone to shoot me down... When flying goons I can make allot of ppl miss just because of that view, if I didn't have it, I would be dead meat for sure. I have always stated that the damage model on buffs, particularly Lancs, B24's and B17's needs to be lowered. Not just damage from guns / cannons, but structually as well. I wasn't in WWII nor have I flown a Lanc in real life, but I seriously doubt the aircraft would be able to go into a 350+mph dive from 8-10k and then pull up at the last second without seriously damaging the plane. With the exception of JU88's which were used as a very effective dive bomber, all heavies need there structure intregrity lowered... Sometimes when I have allot of time I'll take b24's or lancs up to 20k or so and flatten a field or 2 and rtb, while rtbing, I'll dive the whole time with speeds in excess of 350mph, there is no way the wings on a plane like that would hold together, just isn't possible. Structuraly speaking anyways... But back to my main point, get rid of the stupid F3/F4 views, this game is supposed to be a WWII air combat SIMULATOR, not an XBOX/Playstaion 2 arcade game... From a fighter aspect the game is good IMO, but from a bomber apsect, its all messed up, for instance, if im in a fighter and I shoot a guy down player X, player X is falling to the ground, hasn't ejected or anything, and his wingmate, player Z shoots me and I blow up, before player X hits the ground... I lose my kill... Now lets take this and apply it to buffs. I'm in B26's and dive on a cv from 8k, drop all my ord and die before my bombs hit, while im in the tower (dead) my bombs continue to fall and I get the message ship sunk, gun destroyed, etc, etc... Same thing for torpedos, up some JU88's or a PT boat and launch your torps and die, 3-5 min later u get the ship destroyed, gun hit, etc message. Most of the time when I kill a cv with torps, I've already launched my torps, died, and re-upped in a fighter to furball, then I get my message... I understand the whole kamikazee thing, but its starting to pizz me off too..... What we have going on is 1/2 the ppl playing this game want to play it as if it were real life, up a plane get, hopefully get some kills or bomb your target and actually make it back to LAND there plane or ditch or bail, they actually try and play as if it were real life... Then you have the other 1/2 that play it like an arcade game where kills and deaths mean nothing to them, There's allot of good players in both these groups, but the problem is these 2 groups are constantly in conflict with eachother.... We need to figure out what type of game we want and stick to it. Do we want an arcade or a simulation is the main question... Hopefully when TOD is ready it will help with the simulation crowd, but the more and more I play this, I feel it getting cheasier and more like an Xbox Halo 1st person shoot em up game. And the influx of all the 2 week wonders and 12 year olds that saw the commercial on tv are not helping at all, its getting to the point that good players are having to HO all the time because of all the newbs and dweebs. Last night I got upset at Pacerr for hoing me when I was trying to roll away from him at the merge and I apologize for that, I now realize that this is what the game has come to, u see someone and u shoot, doesn;t matter about angle or speed or anything, just another version of Doom but in airplanes, and if you really want a good fight you have to go to the DA, maybe we need 2 MA's, 1 where all the vets, people that have played for over a year can play and another for 1 year and under because its getting to the point I don't want to fly in MA anymore because of all the dweebs... Sorry for turning this into a long ranting post but my favorite game is going downhill in a major hurry and I don't like it.