Author Topic: Level bombers and dive bombers (Read 2705 times)

USHilDvl · « **Reply #60 on:** November 17, 2005, 12:07:20 PM »

I know what you mean, Lye-el. But I wonder if that isn't a game-specific damage-model issue, rather than evidence of the ability to go aerobatic in a multi-ton 4-engine bomber.

On the other hand, we all know that Libs, and Forts, often RTB'd with unbelievable damage...and lived to tell the tale and take pictures.

Also, remember that in RL, there were pretty substantial portions of these airframes where a shell could (and did) pass through without doing serious structural or functional damage. As much a function of luck as anything else, but certainly plausible within the context of the game.

The whole low-alt, suicide bomber-acrobat thing is just to 'gamey' for me.

BTW...try focussing on getting an engine burning, then break off. They'll blow eventually as the damage spreads. Wingtips are good for wrecking the pilots control...and top-down slashing attacks at the 'shoulders' of the wing/fuse junction = BOOM Buff hunting is a barrel-o-fun!

Luck!

hubsonfire · « **Reply #61 on:** November 17, 2005, 05:33:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Tilt
A possible solution is here

http://www.tilt.clara.net/attack/Ahattack.html

That, IMO, is a damned good idea, Tilt.

999000 · « **Reply #62 on:** November 17, 2005, 06:18:08 PM »

FBRaptor is dead on!.....regarding the BK's.... I share his perspective. ...if anyone has any doubt about the valitity of Fbraptor's premise regarding the BK's it is validated on the first page of the BK's own home page ..that states "WE DON'T FLY MISSIONS, WE DON'T DROP BOMBS, WE DON'T TAKE BASES, WE FIGHT, WERE GOOD AT IT."
Maybe some of the Bk's are not familiar with their own homepage...can anyone say "integrity"?
I wish the Bk's would add to their doctrine..WE ARE MODEST, AND RESPECTFULL.
~~999000~~

Stang · « **Reply #63 on:** November 17, 2005, 06:25:41 PM »

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Originally posted by 999000
FBRaptor is dead on!.....regarding the BK's.... I share his perspective. ...if anyone has any doubt about the valitity of Fbraptor's premise regarding the BK's it is validated on the first page of the BK's own home page ..that states "WE DON'T FLY MISSIONS, WE DON'T DROP BOMBS, WE DON'T TAKE BASES, WE FIGHT, WERE GOOD AT IT."
Maybe some of the Bk's are not familiar with their own homepage...can anyone say "integrity"?
I wish the Bk's would add to their doctrine..WE ARE MODEST, AND RESPECTFULL.
~~999000~~

~~Oh please...~~

SuperDud · « **Reply #64 on:** November 17, 2005, 06:44:39 PM »

What's disrespectful about this thread 999? I've yet to see 1 BK bad mouth anyone. It's a simple request for heavy bombers to be used as they should be. Just b/c we aren't a buff squad, we can't have an opinion on it? And as I said to Raptor, many of us have done the bomber thing and moved on so it's not like we're clueless when we talk about it. And there are many folks besides BKs participating. I'd actually like to get your veiw 999 as one of the premeir buffers in the game? I know I respect you b/c you do it right and even though my squad and yourself might get in the occasional furballer vs buffer fight, I think most of the guys in the gang respect you for the fact that you bomb properly. This post has nothing to do with being a "bomber dweeb" or any other creative name. Myself and many others in this thread would sincerly like to see the heavies used in the proper fashion. I can't think of how this could really affect anyone other than the guys who don't want to take the short time it takes to learn the proper way of doing things. I feel that if 1 guy(the bomber) has the ability to ruin/change the fight for so many people, it should at least have to be done correctly and he should at least have to put minimal effort into doing so, not just a climb to 5k, get the base in sight, and take your 350MPH+ bombers screaming in.

Oh and 1 more think. This isn't about eliminating NOE runs either. Those are fine.

Wolf14 · « **Reply #65 on:** November 17, 2005, 07:41:58 PM »

I consider myself more a bomber pilot than a fighter pilot. I dont bomb to awful much anymore because I'm trying to get better at my weaker points. I will say this though. I have to agree with those that want to have bombs released from heavies in F6 mode only. Using F3 to drop because you didnt have time or for whatever reason is bogus.

Altitude of drop. It doesnt matter to me. I do on occasion fly low level runs, but mostly I try to fly at an altitude that plane was intended to be flown. Regardless of what alt flown, I drop with F6.

I get rather irked at the guys that divebomb heavies. Makes the level bomber guys look bad.

From what I can gather from most of this though, correct me if I'm wrong, is that if your gonna bomb something, do it right. The fighter guys are more or less saying to me that if your gonna come bomb in our playground, go right ahead and work for it and dont exploit a lame loophole in game balancing. Either way you may go down, but have a little respect for yourself and the others you play with.

Granted I'm not always following the line either but I do try to keep some things in perspective while I'm out cruisin around having fun.

Mime · « **Reply #66 on:** November 17, 2005, 07:45:04 PM »

i think the current setup as bombers are, divingbomb in formation and porking fighter hangers easily is entirely detrimental to the gameplay. why is it so easy to kill fighter hangers in this game? Germany couldnt stop the RAF that easily during the war. It was not that easy to "knock out" planes on the ground... The game has become less of a fighter vs fighter game and more of a bomber and vehicle and fighter horde against one field. There is really no balance in the current setup and IMO the game was much more fun before the current stage.

Morpheus · « **Reply #67 on:** November 17, 2005, 07:54:31 PM »

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Originally posted by 999000
FBRaptor is dead on!.....regarding the BK's.... I share his perspective. ...if anyone has any doubt about the valitity of Fbraptor's premise regarding the BK's it is validated on the first page of the BK's own home page ..that states "WE DON'T FLY MISSIONS, WE DON'T DROP BOMBS, WE DON'T TAKE BASES, WE FIGHT, WERE GOOD AT IT."
Maybe some of the Bk's are not familiar with their own homepage...can anyone say "integrity"?
I wish the Bk's would add to their doctrine..WE ARE MODEST, AND RESPECTFULL.
~~999000~~

Wait you fly bombers? Oh yeah that's right, I guess flying death star formations but NEVER going above 15k qualifies you as a "true bomber" pilot in todays' Aces High.

You my little number guy, have no clue what the BK's are about. You have no clue what this game was like when the MA wasnt filled with 3xB17's that flew around on the deck clobbering CV's, slamming into fighter hanngers and blowing them selves up with their own bombs. I was going to be nice, but then again I knew you and you're cry baby attitude would come running in screaming holly hell when he found out people were talking about doing away with your suicide B17's.

You've done nothing but add to this Air Quake atmosphere and whats more, absolutely nothing to help show people how a bomber is saposed to be used. I flew buffs long before you ever set foot in this game. And we did it right.

BK's are not limited to what they can and cannot fly. You fail to see that the BK's are only on line to have fun, doing what THEY want to do as an individual. I knew you'd turn this into a BK thing... You have nothing else to go off of. Even at that you lack even the smalled bit of credibility due to the simple fact that you are King Suicide when it comes to flying bombers.

You want respect from me try climbing above 15k for once, and stop gloating about how you make it through to a base on the deck with your lazer guns through a swarm of enemy fighters then bombed the fighter hangers from 50 feet off the deck. Talk about lack of skill. Ray Charles could hit them at that alt.

Dlord · « **Reply #68 on:** November 17, 2005, 08:25:34 PM »

It all sounds reasonable to me. Tilt seems to have a pretty good plan there.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #69 on:** November 17, 2005, 08:28:15 PM »

Eagl a while back had a really good suggestion that would pretty much stop the diving bombing heavy bombers in their tracks. Make it so they can't drop their bombs beyond a certain angle and if they do then the bombs will kill the bomber.

ack-ack

megadud · « **Reply #70 on:** November 17, 2005, 08:30:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Mime
The game has become less of a fighter vs fighter game and more of a bomber and vehicle and fighter horde against one field.

you hit the nail on the head! amen hallelujah praise JC WHO DEY! QUAH!

Sandman · « **Reply #71 on:** November 17, 2005, 08:49:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Tails
No, no it is not. I was here when it WAS laser guided bombing. Where I could take a Ju-88 with internal bombs only, flying a snake-pattern over an airfield at 20k picking off every strat individually with single bombs.

It is not as easy at it used to be, trust me on that.

Don't have to trust you on that. You're absolutely correct.

If the bases are going to be this close together, you might as well expect low level bombers.

outbreak · « **Reply #72 on:** November 17, 2005, 08:51:45 PM »

***Edited for Being a Tard and not Reading the Thread Title***

hubsonfire · « **Reply #73 on:** November 17, 2005, 09:16:26 PM »

For anyone having trouble with reading comprehension, the main issue here isn't about low level bombing. While that is also abused, as much as it's possible, the main issue is DIVEBOMBING. Note the thread's title- that should clarify things a bit.

While we're well aware that purpose-built divebombers did exist, their numbers do not include the B-24, B17, or the Lancaster.

I think Tilt's got a great idea, and there have been others, with the limiting factor being drop only from the bombardier's seat, dive angle, G forces, etc.
I'm not trying to remove bombers from the game, I simply wish to see their overwhelming effect on gameplay overall toned down some.

Regarding the BKs don't bomb crap; dig through the last few years of stats. Hub7, DowHub, Hubs, hubs7, UShub, name, hub, gunfoddr. All ID's I've used, starting back in AH1 (well before formations ever entered the picture). I've always flown bombers. Not so much these days, but I still fly them.

999000 · « **Reply #74 on:** November 17, 2005, 10:53:32 PM »

Morphues sir,
You have had alot to say 6677 post to my 87....you must know alot more than I.....I appologize for my ignorance....
I understand you were here first....I played only AW from the 90's till its demise as 9900 a few years ago.....I enjoyed AW..the game ..but more importantly the community respectful and positive......I appologize for playing aces high for only about 8 years now and being so clueless as you say. Being a father of four, having coached on the division 3 athletics, being a City councilman, and having a masters degree in education and teaching for some 15 plus years I have really learn nothing ...I'm sorry sir.
I also appologize for telling people what is on your own squad web sight..that was really wrong of me.
You suggest I gloat.........funny but I try to be most respectful of everyone regardless if they a gv'er fighter pilot or bomber pilot....But I guess I got it wrong again.
Morphues for me its not about fighter pilots, tanks, pt boats, goons, or bombers scores etc I'm not going to remember the scores .....I'm going to remember the people sir!
I no doubt have this wrong also Morphues.... Aces High is NOT YOUR AND THE BK"S GAME. but you guys act like it is ..and that is what I find particulairly offensive.
~~999000~~