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Offline NUKE

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« on: November 16, 2005, 05:54:24 PM »
http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/16/122915.shtml

Yeah, it's on the Newsmax site.... supposed to be in the Weekly Standard's upcoming November addition.

If any of this is true, it certainly should justify invading Iraq and would vindicate President Bush and the decision to go to war.

The funny thing would be to see what he Dems would say, it it were true. Would they then begin proudly standing by their vote to gop to war?

Maybe Iraq did have ties to 911 afterall?


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Recently discovered Iraqi documents now being translated by U.S. intelligence analysts indicate that Saddam Hussein's government made extensive plans to hide Iraq's weapons of mass destruction before the U.S. invasion in March 2003 - and had deep ties to al Qaida before the 9/11 attacks.


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• Memo from the [Iraqi Intelligence Service] to Hide Information from a U.N. Inspection team (1997)

• Iraq Ministry of Defense Calls for Investigation into why documents related to WMD were found by UN inspection team

• Correspondence between various Iraq organizations giving instructions to hide chemicals and equipment

• Correspondence from [Iraqi Intelligence Service] to [the Military Industrial Commission] regarding information gathered by foreign intelligence satellites on WMD (Dec. 2002) • Cleaning chemical suits and how to hide chemicals

• [Iraqi Intelligence Service] plan of what to do during UNSCOM inspections (1996)

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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2005, 06:15:52 PM »
Ok, I'm not disputing he had them.. but the 'hid' them line is getting very frayed. We need a trail, a chain of possession leading to their current location or owners.

'Hid' just don't cut it any more.
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2005, 06:18:52 PM »
Yup as much as I'd like this to be credible it is from newsmax.  If it'd show up on the AP wire that'd be a different story.  I'd love to see the "Bush Lied" crowd's reaction though.  They obviously don't like to face facts but who knows.
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2005, 06:30:26 PM »
If you want to know where they are, just look to the west!
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2005, 06:32:47 PM »
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I'd love to see the "Bush Lied" crowd's reaction though.  They obviously don't like to face facts but who knows.



The fact that you posted this in a thread where NUKE is still trying argue that the invasion was justified because Iraq had WMD is just ironic, it's Ultra-Ironic(tm).

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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2005, 06:35:18 PM »
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If you want to know where they are, just look to the west!


You are aware that your governments own investigation indicated that the WMD were destroyed long before the invasion, right?

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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2005, 06:36:54 PM »
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The fact that you posted this in a thread where NUKE is still trying argue that the invasion was justified because Iraq had WMD is just ironic, it's Ultra-Ironic


Why is it ironic?  especially if I'm downplaying the source!  The fact that you are coming in here just to disagree with whatever I said here is predictable....in fact it's uber-predictable(tm).

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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2005, 06:36:56 PM »
probably.. but dammit, if they're able to uncover a 'hide 'em' order from Saddam, don't it stand to reason that the 'where' part would be inclusive?

There's a LOT of stuff that just doesn't make sense about all this, not the least being just where in hell the goods went. Show us a chain of possession.. tie up the biggest lose end of 'where'.

short of that, the administrations just gonna sound like the kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2005, 06:44:13 PM »
Anyone remember Operation Desert Fox? ;)

http://www.cnn.com/US/9812/16/clinton.iraq.speech/

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- From the Oval Office, President Clinton told the nation Wednesday evening why he ordered new military strikes against Iraq.

The president said Iraq's refusal to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors presented a threat to the entire world.

"Saddam (Hussein) must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons," Clinton said.

Operation Desert Fox, a strong, sustained series of attacks, will be carried out over several days by U.S. and British forces, Clinton said.

"Earlier today I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces," Clinton said.

"Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors," said Clinton.

Clinton also stated that, while other countries also had weapons of mass destruction, Hussein is in a different category because he has used such weapons against his own people and against his neighbors.


'Without delay, diplomacy or warning'

The Iraqi leader was given a final warning six weeks ago, Clinton said, when Baghdad promised to cooperate with U.N. inspectors at the last minute just as U.S. warplanes were headed its way.

"Along with Prime Minister (Tony) Blair of Great Britain, I made it equally clear that if Saddam failed to cooperate fully we would be prepared to act without delay, diplomacy or warning," Clinton said.

The president said the report handed in Tuesday by Richard Butler, head of the United Nations Special Commission in charge of finding and destroying Iraqi weapons, was stark and sobering.

Iraq failed to cooperate with the inspectors and placed new restrictions on them, Clinton said. He said Iraqi officials also destroyed records and moved everything, even the furniture, out of suspected sites before inspectors were allowed in.

"Instead of inspectors disarming Saddam, Saddam has disarmed the inspectors," Clinton said.

"In halting our airstrikes in November, I gave Saddam a chance -- not a license. If we turn our backs on his defiance, the credibility of U.S. power as a check against Saddam will be destroyed," the president explained.


Strikes necessary to stunt weapons programs

Clinton said he made the decision to strike Wednesday with the unanimous agreement of his security advisors.

Timing was important, said the president, because without a strong inspection system in place, Iraq could rebuild its chemical, biological and nuclear programs in a matter of months, not years.

"If Saddam can cripple the weapons inspections system and get away with it, he would conclude the international community, led by the United States, has simply lost its will," said Clinton. "He would surmise that he has free rein to rebuild his arsenal of destruction."

Clinton also called Hussein a threat to his people and to the security of the world. [/size]

 
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"The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people," Clinton said.

Such a change in Baghdad would take time and effort, Clinton said, adding that his administration would work with Iraqi opposition forces.

Clinton also addressed the ongoing impeachment crisis in the White House.

"Saddam Hussein and the other enemies of peace may have thought that the serious debate currently before the House of Representatives would distract Americans or weaken our resolve to face him down," he said.

"But once more, the United States has proven that although we are never eager to use force, when we must act in America's vital interests, we will do so
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2005, 06:44:15 PM »
The Syrians have them.  They know we know they have them.  


So the solution is really simple.

Send a message to the Syrian PM "Hand over the WMD's that Saddam gave you or else.  Respond in a week."

No response or a nasty response, take out his Secretary of State.

Send a message to the Syrian PM "Hand over the WMD's that Saddam gave you or else.  Respond in a week."

No response or a nasty response, take out his VP.


Send a message to the Syrian PM "Hand over the WMD's that Saddam gave you or else.  Respond in a week.

P.S. Guess who's next."
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2005, 06:47:34 PM »
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The Syrians have them.  They know we know they have them.



I see, so you have better information on Iraqi WMD than the US government (who spent billions on the investigation).  Care to share your source?




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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2005, 06:51:35 PM »
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The fact that you posted this in a thread where NUKE is still trying argue that the invasion was justified because Iraq had WMD is just ironic, it's Ultra-Ironic(tm).



The fact that I NEVER said that the war was justified because Iraq had WMD is further proof that you don't know what your are discussing and you are just  leg humping again. Does it ever get old?

And, by the way, 500 tons of Uranium ( some enriched) was discovered and removed from Iraq after the invasion.

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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2005, 06:55:44 PM »
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I see, so you have better information on Iraqi WMD than the US government (who spent billions on the investigation).  Care to share your source?




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So you suddenly now trust the US government and what it reports? :lol

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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2005, 06:57:18 PM »
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Anyone remember Operation Desert Fox? ;)


Did you actually have a point or do you reference Clinton as a knee-jerk reaction to any challenge of the Bush admin?
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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2005, 07:02:49 PM »
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...I'd love to see the "Bush Lied" crowd's reaction though. They obviously don't like to face facts but who knows.


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The fact that you posted this in a thread where NUKE is still trying argue that the invasion was justified because Iraq had WMD is just ironic, it's Ultra-Ironic(tm).


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Why is it ironic?...


It is ironic because you are accusing others of not being able to face facts.
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