Democrats Want to Lose another war

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
people like him and Moore.

This is the saddest thing in this thread. I'd explain why, but it would fall on deaf ears.

[Holden McGroin]

Restore Iraqi Electricity Directorate by May 2005 put 2,083 MW on the grid, enough to provide power to more than 5.4 million Iraqi homes. RIE also built about 8,600 kilometers (5,332 miles) of 400kV/132kV transmission line and 1,200 towers.

USAid has rehabilitated 2,510 schools countrywide, trained nearly 33,000 secondary school teachers (17,513 women) and administrators, including 860 master trainers (264 women), nationwide. Printed and distributed 8.7 million revised math and science textbooks to grades 1-12 by mid-February 2004.

In 2003, Iraq's 140 major water treatment facilities were operating at about 35 percent of their design capacity (three billion liters a day), primarily due to inadequate maintenance, lack of plant operators, power shortages, and looting of plant parts and standby generators.

USAid restored water treatment service to 4.0 million, and sewage treatment to 7.7 million nationwide. In Basrah, rehabilitated the Sweet Water Canal system, which included repairing breaches, cleaning and repairing the main water storage and settling reservoir and refurbishing 14 water treatment plants. Treated water production increased 100 percent, serving over 2 million people.

In Bagdhad, the Kerkh wastewater treatment plant began operating on May 19, 2004, the first major plant to operate at full capacity in more than 12 years in Iraq.

[Yeager]

heres an opinion:  kerry was a switboat officer and he testified in front of  congress calling his fellow brothers in arms murderers.  murtha called for the retreat of american forces from iraq.  I got news for you.  just because someone is a hero doesnt make you squat for a politician.  both these men are adorned with my thanks, blessings and respect yet both are criminals in my opinion.

I would go easy on murtha, he is being tooled by his minority leadership.  kerry is scum.

thats just the way it goes......

[Debonair]

I would expect it not unlikely that a guy of Nash's reputation for political leftism would dislike Kerry & a dude like Yeager wouldn't, due to Kerry miserable performance in the last election.  Like him or not, his was a terrible campaign, when it could have just as likely been victorious.  He looked like the black sox minus Shoeless Joe.

[Shamus]

LOL  even Bush and and the VP have figured out that playing the Michael Moore card on all occasions looses effectivness

shamus

[Flit]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Restore Iraqi Electricity Directorate by May 2005 put 2,083 MW on the grid, enough to provide power to more than 5.4 million Iraqi homes. RIE also built about 8,600 kilometers (5,332 miles) of 400kV/132kV transmission line and 1,200 towers.

USAid has rehabilitated 2,510 schools countrywide, trained nearly 33,000 secondary school teachers (17,513 women) and administrators, including 860 master trainers (264 women), nationwide. Printed and distributed 8.7 million revised math and science textbooks to grades 1-12 by mid-February 2004.

In 2003, Iraq's 140 major water treatment facilities were operating at about 35 percent of their design capacity (three billion liters a day), primarily due to inadequate maintenance, lack of plant operators, power shortages, and looting of plant parts and standby generators.

USAid restored water treatment service to 4.0 million, and sewage treatment to 7.7 million nationwide. In Basrah, rehabilitated the Sweet Water Canal system, which included repairing breaches, cleaning and repairing the main water storage and settling reservoir and refurbishing 14 water treatment plants. Treated water production increased 100 percent, serving over 2 million people.

In Bagdhad, the Kerkh wastewater treatment plant began operating on May 19, 2004, the first major plant to operate at full capacity in more than 12 years in Iraq.

Don't see this in the news, do ya ?

[Debonair]

I certainly don't.
I'm a comics & sports page guy

[Nash]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
well said????? He used every farce/propaganda/DNC talking point he could.  It's obvious he hasn't paid attention to the thread because alot of what he says has easily been rebuked.  Nash just want's to rant and rave and call things grim in wich he absolutly has no clue what he's talking about.  I won't disput him, it's really not worth my time being such a waisted effort.  The really said part is people like you MT actually listen and beleive people like him and Moore.

And you accuse me of boozonics?

Where do I even start with you? Give me a clue.

[Tilt]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
The war against Iraqi forces under Saddam was indeed won. The war against terrorism continues, including these insurgents that have come out of the woodwork.

Oh the war against terror

and where is that being fought?

Has that got something to do with Iraq?

well I suppose it has now.

how quickly we forget.......

Next we'll be told that this mess was what was planned for all along........................ .

Should we withdraw..............no IMO what we break we have to fix.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Tilt
Oh the war against terror

and where is that being fought?

.

And its being fought by more than 50 countries. Glad we're all in this together.

By the way, without using google, can you tell me who said this below, and when they said it?
"Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.

Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference: He has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq.
The international community had little doubt then, and I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again.
Iraq repeatedly restricted UNSCOM's ability to obtain necessary evidence. For example, Iraq obstructed UNSCOM's effort to photograph bombs related to its chemical weapons program.

It tried to stop an UNSCOM biological weapons team from videotaping a site and photocopying documents and prevented Iraqi personnel from answering UNSCOM's questions.

Prior to the inspection of another site, Iraq actually emptied out the building, removing not just documents but even the furniture and the equipment.

Iraq has failed to turn over virtually all the documents requested by the inspectors. Indeed, we know that Iraq ordered the destruction of weapons-related documents in anticipation of an UNSCOM inspection.

So Iraq has abused its final chance. "

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by Gunthr
I agree with that, Lazs.  I think we will have strategic military bases in the Middle East for years to come, and I think that this was the plan from the beginning.  When I hear "exit strategy" I realize that the Vietnam Syndrome is still wrapped around the axle.  And the politicians will continue to jump up and down on the issue like it was a trampoline.

You cant agree with lazs and go on to say that the war-makers lied to us from the get go.   If  you are saying that the real goal was to establish a US military presence in the mid-east , and not to dissarm saddam from his vast arsenal of holocaustic WMD's, then you agree with those of us who are saying WTF!  We being bled to death in Iraq on a daily basis.  Give us a freakin plan!!!  We are not asking for a exit stratgey, but a freakin victory strategy.  Meanwhile, we can only wonder if Bush's Carlsyle group and Cheneys Haliburton were losing money    along with the rest of us, if they would hurry the f up and make a move.  One way or the other.  Total war, occupation, and victory or this half arsed, 'lets be friends with the iraqi people, put smiley faces on our tanks, and have a nice day' crap.  Wipe em out and move in, or get the f out.

[bj229r]

The PLAN is for Iraq forces to be able to guard their own squealing country---takes quite some time to build a COMPETENT army, (something they've never had) There arent enough guys in all our armed services together to clamp down their borders, but there WILL be in Iraq's army--as they are deemed ready, we move out. The war for Iraq was over 2 1/2 years ago, but the terrorists have decided to make their stand there--Iraq is as good a place as any, IMO. We kill a couple-three dozen of them for every one of ours, the soldiers don't think we are losing, only the American left does. (Ok, and the Canadian left, and the European left, and wherever else they have leftists:p )

[Shamus]

Ah yes..the old "body count" dog and pony show, remember it well, didnt work 35 years ago and it wont work now.

shamus

[lazs2]

whitehawk... we are just now getting out of germany.   I am saying that our presence in Iraq would be much like it was in yoour op or in korea for the forseeable future...  I think it makes more sense than the latter two examples too.

some not only want us to abandon progress in Iraq but to throw the jews to the wolves too and have no friends in the area.

lazs

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Shamus
Ah yes..the old "body count" dog and pony show, remember it well, didnt work 35 years ago and it wont work now.

shamus

Yea it especially doesn't work well in the "against" catagory either.