Can the ordinance porking be addressed?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by me62
LePaul, I am with you on this.  I watched the same tiffie strafe down
the troops and ords at 3 bases last night.  The reason he got away with
this is I am such a rotten shot in an AA gun.

The troops/bunkers need to fixed so that the only way to take them down
is bombs, rockets, tank guns 75mm HE or larger or ship guns, 5 in. or larger
no machine guns/20mm cannons.

Mike

Not just any type of cannon rounds easily takes these things down.
It takes the big ones to take em down easily
In a tiffy I'd say yea they go down .
But try it in a 109F4 and usually you nead at least two passes to take out a singel  bunker

[DREDIOCK]

there is also another option.

Hotpad

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by xxxxxxx
Is taking up a formation of empty B24's and heading to the nearest furball on the deck something you are having withdrawl's from?  Is the extra time needed to fly from an adjacent base to pork the FH's distressing?   Is that the real complaint, no more 500' bomber runs with the added bonus of luring fighters into a set of 'death star' bomber guns?  Some fun that.

If someone is going to bomb from 5K or 10K, having ordinance at an adjacent base won't help.  No ordinance at an adjacent base does cut down on 500ft bomber runs.  

When some people, such as xxxxxx, bomb fields just to pork the FH, others will jabo, just to pork ordinance!  Having ordinance porking ability in four 20mm's, IMO, is great!  Without even looking at a response, I know you feel differently.

One thing I have learned playing this game is that a certain percentage of players idea of 'fun' is to deliberately ruin others ideas of 'fun'!  This isn't new, or news.  For the record, xxxxxx, I don't consider you a butthead.


Regards,

Xxxxx

The composition is horrible, but the sentiment is good.

[101ABN]

Originally posted by outbreak
Just because someone porks your base dont whine LEARN TO RESUPPLY!

ha ha ha... resupply???  half of the folks are too proud to leave the plane in the hanger and take a M3... there are a select few (including myself) that will run a M3... heck, thats the first thing that i do when i log in... i check the bases and run supplies for awhile..... i look at it this way... more supply runs... more perk points.... more tigers for me to lose... ha ha ha

[stantond]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
The composition is horrible, but the sentiment is good.

I was going for 7th grade level.  You think I missed it by much?


Regards,

Malta

[bj229r]

Gotta agree with Drediock here----when ya are getting steamrolled (by some certain country who operates as a large borg cube), porking barracks/ammo is the only viable way of stopping, or at least slowing, them. Most improbable that the rest of the steamrollEEs are gonna band together and fight the horde....no fun being beaten up by a half dozen tiffys and la7's every time ya up, and MOST folks in this game just wanna have their furballs and log, NOT join waves of jabos to attack undefended bases

[Tilt]

I have no problems with sides getting steam rolled..............the speed at which the front moves does not cause combat to stop............

Furthermore ordinance is used both in defence and attack..........


It does seem very unreal that ordinance is stored in buildings that burst into flame after being hit by a few rounds of 20mm................. or 2 x HE shells from a tank


This is an arena setting (albeit the default one)............HT could set it to 1000llbs at the drop of a hat.......... no upgrade.............no patch.

Even at this setting 2 x fighter bombers could take the ordinance out at any field (and only 1 at small fields) but at least it would present some challenge to the Pork.

[Simaril]

Successful games have play balance, so no one prtion dominates the others. In this game, every tactical move has a countermove. Rather than complain about ordinance porking (or troop porking, FH porking, strat porking, GV porking, etc, etc)  -- why not just use the antidote? If you cant get bombs: rearm, resupply, or up from farther out.

You want ord? There are ways to get it. It may be unwise to ask for game revisions, because strngthening one part of the game harms others -- and if the balance is lost, people will get bored and stop playing. You could end up with no one to bomb.

[Dead Man Flying]

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That is all.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Simaril]

OK Lev, fine, ordnance. Like spellchecker  has ANY place in the BBS discourse.  

EDIT: This was supposed to be light and clever, but sounds a little peevish. Sorry if misconstrued, just trying to be amusing.

PS you left out the second "n" in ordINance several times.  

[Dead Man Flying]

[Virage]

I think some structures should be more resistant to strafing.  Fuel tanks and AA fine.  But hardened structures or buildings shouldn't go 'Pop' as easily.  Thats what bombs are for.

[Simaril]

Again, Virage, remember that the structures on bases arent supposed to model the way bases really are. They're icons for game functions, as applied to the capability of a single base.


So the question in AH2 isnt ever really "could an ordnance bunker go down that easily?"

It should be, "is the balance (between base effectiveness and the methods of blunting that effectiveness) out of whack?"

I honestly dont think it really is. Bases are captured, bases are defended, maps are won --  there isnt any foolproof, reliable way to "beat" the system. (OK, having read Channel 200 -- nothing is FOOL proof, but you know what I mean.) I dont think anything needs to be changed, except maybe our strategic behavior and our expectations.

[whels]

you want to stop the easy pork?  then turn ack accuracy up. within 1k of field AA should be hyper accurate, not the 1 hit in 4 passes like now.

AA is a joke as it is now. maybe we need quad 20s and quad 50s  and lots of them on fields.  make it require buffs or multiple fighters attacking @ 1 time to deack a field and/or pork fields n survive.

[Edbert]

I still want to hear the rationale that it is okay to pork FHs but not okay to pork troops/ordinance. Nobody has tried yet. There have been a few weak attempts about the hardness of the various structures but not the concept that one is okay and the other is not.

The mentality of this is the issue. Fighter jocks get frustrated when there are no FHs avalable on the front lines so they take a Dora/Typhie up and take out the ord. I see no difference in these tactics whatsoever. It is simply an attempt to restrict the other folks from opposing you. While that IS in fact a valid strategerie for winning the war, it is also done quite often without base capture in mind and simply as a way of greifing other players.

Just admit it, both sides of the equation are equally to blame. I don't know the solution but I do recognize the problem for what it is...folks who would rather pi$$ off other folks than engage them in simulated air combat.