Can the ordinance porking be addressed?

[Dead Man Flying]

As long as the 110G can destroy FHs or just about any other ground object in one or two passes tops, perhaps we should defer any discussion about the ease of disabling ordnance.  The 110 serves as a perfect substitute for bombers when somebody disables ordnance.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Virage]

Just make the damage model for obj like the gv model.  Some obj will be armored so as only bombs or he shells will damage.  This will end the cannon toting fighters disabling everything.

[Jackal1]

Why not just make every friggen thing invincible, including the planes.
Then we can either have air races or go play volley ball in happy town.

[Nwbie]

"Ordnace. Ordnance. Ordnance. Ordnace. Ordnance. Ordnance. Ordnace. Ordnance. Ordnance. "

That is all.

-- Todd/Leviathn


Ordnace..................... lol


Hiya Lev

[stegor]

In less words it seems that a group of player, maybe not the majority, but a well listened bunch at least, wants this simulation as a neverending turn and shot, and turn and shot, and again and again......
There is no need for structures, no need for rwys, maybe no needs for landscape, trees, they need only a space to ride in the merry go round and a button to fire; better if the map is reduced to a room confined by walls, so the enemy won't run straight for long.......once this was  a simulation trying to recreate at least some aspects of real life, nowadays the password is "this aint real life".
And still I'm asking again what's the purpouse of DA???
Wasn't it created for duels??

[Edbert]

Stegor, you've been here since 2000 and you don't yet know the difference between a duel and a furball? Or was that a troll? Regarding the initial aspects of your post...I have not seen anyone on either side of the discussion suggest that there should be none of the things you listed. Perhaps you really were trolling or simply not reading carefully.

Assuming you were serious let me try to explain what I see here. There are folks who like to carry eggs and blow stuff up, nothing wrong with that whatsoever, it is a large aspect of this game and should not be eliminated. It is frustrating for these players to find that a significant number of their bases do not have ordinance because a SINGLE fighter pilot has taken out their ability to play the way they want to.

Is that a fair assesment LePaul?

On "the other side" of this discussion there are folks who like to fly fighters and blow other players up, nothing wrong with that whatsoever, it is a large aspect of this game and should not be eliminated. It is frustrating for these players to find that a significant number of their bases do not have FH because a SINGLE bomber pilot has taken out their ability to play the way they want to.

See the problem here?

We cannot and should not remove destroyable objects, killing them is part of the game and part of base capture.Killing them accross a large front is also part of strategery and war-winning. I could argue that we need to make it harder for a single pilot to close so many airfields (ord by a fighter or FHs by a bomber) on a single sortie, but I cannot think of a way to prevent that which does not also introduce other problems.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by LePaul
You cant kill a field's fuel supply to 0% (and that would further annoy the fighter guys).  But, in a few swift passes thru the somewhat inefective AI ack, the ordinance can be brought down all over the battlefront by one aircraft with cannon.

Im not suggesting hardening it because its unfair buffs can come in NOE and ruin your field.  I'm simply saying its pretty unbeleivable one aircraft can disable something so easily.


Peace!

LOL Feild ack loves me. Particularly the lazer variety.

But it shouldnt be too surprising that 1 aircraft should be able to take out an ammo bunker in a single pass.

Hell one man with a hand granade or a well placed match could do considerable damage to an ammo bunker or ammo dump.
Ordinance is only slightly volitile when exposed to other exploding things.

Personally I'd like to see chain reaction explosions when the ammo bunkers explode LOL

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
As long as the 110G can destroy FHs or just about any other ground object in one or two passes tops, perhaps we should defer any discussion about the ease of disabling ordnance.  The 110 serves as a perfect substitute for bombers when somebody disables ordnance.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Without eggs I've never been able to destroy a FH with just the guns of a 110 in even two long passes unless its already been damaged by something else first

[Morpheus]

Never? Either you havent tried it or you've got really bad aim.

It can be done in one pass, here's 1 and a few hits on 2nd pass to finnish it off. Done off line, no different from MA settings. If you dont beleive me you can try it yourself.

http://www.furballunderground.com/freehost/files/1/fh.ahf

[DoKGonZo]

The problem is that the MA is starting to approach a situation of "Suppose the had a war and nobody came". What I'm observing is that the first "defense" of a threatened sector is to pork ord and troops two levels deep on the attackers side of the lines. This is virtually impossible to prevent, for all the reasons folks have stated here.

Sure, it is good tactics to prevent your attacker from having the resources needed to press his own attack. But what I'm now seeing is that the defenders more or less abandon bases and even whole sectors once the enemy troops are porked. Which tends to make the game rather futile to play for everyone but the pork-runners.

Easiest fix? Reduce the down time on troops and ord to 10 minutes. So, yeah, a Tiffy can neuter a field in two passes - but if it has to all be done again 10 minutes later then they've delayed the offensive, not halted it completely, and the front stays alive.

    -DoK

[Morpheus]

10 minutes, yeah right.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Morpheus
10 minutes, yeah right.

Pick a number, then. Having an entire front stagnant for an hour because of one or two pork-runners is absurd.

[stegor]

Edbert, you are here from 99, well tell me, can you say this Sim is the same of that time? Is people flying the same manner? Are the players involved in all the aspects of the game like it was?
I am not trolling, I see a continuous amount of requests to make fighter fly more easily and safely.
You can't destroy fuel, even harder to destroy Hangar, requests to harden ordnance, requests to harden CV so you can't interrupt planes upping, requests to give less efficacy to naval guns cause they interfere with furballs or something.....this is not a troll.
More this situation generates more confusion trying to compensate things for the "other side complaints", so for hardened structures, we have had a less effective ack..... the result of all this is here, strategy has gone, lonely porkers flying useless missions, bombers unused or used only for NOE missions, suicide mission everywhere, maps stretched, but with airfield neared each other, a cloud of fighters eternally whirling  just above grass..and so on...
Maybe the pattern of the AH player has changed, but how much  can you last playing again and again one  only aspect of the game?

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Pick a number, then. Having an entire front stagnant for an hour because of one or two pork-runners is absurd.

Um, resuply. Either via M3 or C47.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Um, resuply. Either via M3 or C47.

When troops and ord are porked two levels deep that's not likely. If this is the answer, it should be worth a big pile of perks to do resupply runs.