Can the ordinance porking be addressed?

[Lye-El]

Originally posted by CHECKERS
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  Maybe not, Simple fix to all this crap ? Sure  , just 3 small Islands, 3 small bases, that can not be  crippled or killed, far enough away from the rest of the bases, and  independent of, and have no impact whatsoever on,  the outcome of the struggle for the total war on the map.
 Simple as that....

In a seperate arena so there is no interaction with others not of your faith. Out of sight, out of mind. You don't have to worry about the dirty little war and everybody else doesn't have to see your indestructable little sandbox.

Simple as that.

[SuperDud]

Originally posted by Lye-El
In a seperate arena so there is no interaction with others not of your faith. Out of sight, out of mind. You don't have to worry about the dirty little war and everybody else doesn't have to see your indestructable little sandbox.

Simple as that.

How would what CHECKERs said effect you in anyway? It wouldn't. I think it's funny how you guys constantly tell us to go to the DA. Why is CHECKERs request so unreasonable that you had to type the same old worn out phrase stated above? You know they also have a nice long strip in there specifically for people to kill the toolsheds. If donut tells us anything it's that given the chance to be at FT or winning the war, many prefer FT. So maybe all the toolshedders should go ahead and hop in the DA. That way, you guys can dive bomb and blow yourselfs up to your hearts conteint. Oh wait, you won't do that b/c you'd have no ones fun to ruin:aok

[DoKGonZo]

Well, it could also be more people were at FT because after clamping an enemy base for capture they found that there weren't any troops within 30 miles.

[LePaul]

Originally posted by DipStick

Edit to add: I do agree that you shouldn't be able to strafe anything down.

Agreed

[Baine]

What always gets me in these discussions is the lame excuses people advance for keeping a flawed system in place. "Why don't you resupply" (why, so another single typhie can come in two minutes later and pork again?) It's the only way of slowing down the horde (Well, if you can't get your act together and defend your bases when an obvious push is on, then the horde shouldn't be slowed down). Why don't you defend your bases (If the troops/ord were hardened, it would make sense to defend a base. You may not be able to take a typhie out on his first pass, but you probably could on the second. But with one pass attacks, all the odds are in the favor of the attacker).
There really is no reason why a single plane should be able to take down troops and ord in a single pass.(Unless of course you count encouraging furballing and discouraging anyone who enjoys playing the game with an eye toward flying buffs or capturing bases). Harden them to the point where they require multiple passes and you do encourage all the things that the pro-porkers claim is the responsibilty of the defenders _ resupply and sustained defense. Keeping the way it is now, keeps AH as a porkers paradise.

[*NDM*JohnnyX]

If I hear one more furballer on a base CAP tell me to not drop ords on a FH I swear to God I'll scream.

Check that, I'll scream after I drop the FH's.

[Edbert]

Originally posted by Baine
There really is no reason why a single plane should be able to take down troops and ord in a single pass.(Unless of course you count encouraging furballing and discouraging anyone who enjoys playing the game with an eye toward flying buffs or capturing bases).

You've got it Baine, you understand completely and you are correct. The test now is do you also agree with this statement?

There really is no reason why a single player should be able to take down FHs in a single pass.(Unless of course you count encouraging bombing without opposition and discouraging anyone who enjoys playing the game with an eye toward flying fighters and practising their ACM).

If you do then good for you and your intellectual honesty. If you don't then you are just another whiner wanting the game changed to suit your tastes (nothing "wrong" or evil with that, we all are guilty of wanting what we want from time to time) at the expense of other folks being able to enjoy THEIR game (and I think that is selfish and an example of poor sportsmanship).

See? Both camps are equally guilty of this, you should not try and hurt the other players just to make them play your way. Play the game the way you want, but let them play their game too. These maps are more than large enough for all of us to have fun, but if your idea of fun is preventing others from having theirs then AH would be better without you...IN MY OPINION.

[DoKGonZo]

OK ... at one level you're right, a single bomber flight can remove fighters from a field just as a single fighter can remove troops and bombers from the same field.

But there are two gaping differences.

One is the time investment. Popping a Tiffy to 10K, scooting over to the enema base, and then porking bar/ord takes a lot less time than hauling Lancs or B17's up to some reasonable altitude and then lumbering along to target. So there's one big difference - time investment and, as a result, frequency of occurence.

Then there's another big difference - rate of success. A Tiffy Porker at 12K is virtually unstoppable if he gets within radar range of the base. Partly because its a fast plane, partly because it takes so little skill to succeed with the 1.0 pass needed to pork bar or ord, and partly because the porker doesn't give a damn if he dies (and certainly doesn't care about fighting anyone until after the deed is done).

A flight of heavies at anything under 5K stands a much smaller chance of success. Granted, those B17's or Lancs down low may gobble up some figters in their defensive fire, but odds of them getting to drop are much, much lower than the high speed porker. (Not that I'm advocating NOE heavies, mind you.) And if the heavies are at altitude their odds of a direct hit on all the FH's is far from that of the odds of a porker hitting the bar/ord.

And there's a third difference. A flight of heavies can affect one base - maybe two if they don't get intercepted. A single Tiffy can remove troops and ord from 3 or 4 or more fields - and probably in less time that it'd take a B17 to climb to 15K.

And while I'm at it ... a fourth difference. Most of the time I see heavies attacking a base as part of a capture attempt. Porking is a defensive tactic (except when protecting a CV from coastal fields). A couple flights of B24's can make a capture attempt at *one field* hard to stop, a couple of Tiffy Porkers can make any capture attempts along an entire front impossible to accomplish because of the game mechanics of the host.

So, in terms of gameplay, we are really talking about two completely different things, even though they end up resolving to a common theme.

[Lye-El]

Originally posted by SuperDud
How would what CHECKERs said effect you in anyway? It wouldn't. I think it's funny how you guys constantly tell us to go to the DA. Why is CHECKERs request so unreasonable that you had to type the same old worn out phrase stated above?  

Because you want to play in the MA but you want to special sandbox. You don't want to be subject to the same thing as everybody else in the MA. You want indestructable hangers. You want Airfields to be uncapturable. You already have  Fighter Town ringed in and isolated. Now runways are getting vulched and we get calls for super ack. And still you say you want to play in the MA, just terrformed to your specifications. You got Fighter Town and the AirQuakers post more complaints about it than anybody. I think you don't want a seperate AirQuake arena because once the novelty wore off it would be mostly empty.

[Baine]

I've got to agree that a single buff shouldn't be able to shut down all FHs. People complained about it, and HTC changed the layout of bases so now there are FHs off the main pads, to make single pass shutdowns much more difficult.
I didn't even complain (that much) back when we had the old calibrating system, which made it virtually impossible to guarantee a hit.
I don't see any problem with a flight of buffs coming in and shutting down a base because
a) the dar bar gives ample warning that big, fat slow-moving targets are approaching, so hop into an FW and have at em and
b) It takes a lot more effort for a group of flyers to get together, organize a raid, take off in buffs and climb in formation to attack the target. Such effort usually also involves taking along a goon, which has all the self-defense capabilities of a baby in a carriage. Instead of porking fields, typhies could be hunting goons.
I'm not saying don't make troops and ammo indestructable, just make it so a single fighter can't shutdown a sector with a single pass. It seems like a fairly reasonable request.

[GooseAW]

A single player cannot take down FHs in one pass..HELLO!

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Baine
... just make it so a single fighter can't shutdown a sector with a single pass. It seems like a fairly reasonable request.

Where can I get one of these fighters?

[Tilt]

Originally posted by GooseAW
A single player cannot take down FHs in one pass..HELLO!

Correct it takes a single player two passes minimum for small and medium fields with either a Lanc or B24 formation . (on the small field no additional pass is required to also take out the VH)

With a Lanc formation it really requires  a single player 3 passes to take out all the FH's on a Large field although it is possible to take them out in two if some critical hangers are already soft. (too risky to try)

[Morpheus]

So long as hordes exist, with numbers nearing 100 at times now in a single massive glob moving from base to base to base, you can suck it up and deal with ord being porked. And troops for that mater. It is really the only way to slow down or stop a horde in todays AH.

[Max]

Why not use the back-up main arena for a fightertown map with 3 bases with troops disabled? Sorry if this has already been put forth in one of the previous 100 posts.

Dmdmax