Dear Peace Officer

[beet1e]

How about using white phosphorus?

[Curval]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Nothing wrong with feeling passion about your country, however when you partake in strapping bombs to women and children to do your dirty work, or sawing heads off on live tape, then I'd say its a bit overboard...

I don't disagree...I am just saying they "sound" alike.  But...you "have" had a few nut-jobs who have taken this close to that extent...David Koresh...Tim McVay (sp?).

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Curval
I don't disagree...I am just saying they "sound" alike.  But...you "have" had a few nut-jobs who have taken this close to that extent...David Koresh...Tim McVay (sp?).

Everyone does, its just that Allah has the market on nutjobs these days...if they'd just take out that "72 virgins" part they might have a hard time recruiting testosteroned-arab teens...

[Hangtime]

Agreed.. Koresh and McVeigh were nutjobs, but two entirely diffrent brands of nutjobs. Koresh never attacked anybody. McVeigh belongs in the same closet as the Atlanta Bomber and the Unibomber. Neither are representitives of average american riflemen.

Percentage wize, the nutjobs represent a inhumanly small percentage of the population.. yet the anti-gun lobby use them as propaganda poster boys for infringement of the very rights that insure the citizen remains in control of his own destiny.

[Seagoon]

Hi Hang,

At one time in my bygone youth, I might have endorsed the sentiment of such a letter, but not anymore. Personally, I'd rather lose the right to keep and bear arms than resort to murder, kidnapping, and and assassination in a misguided attempt to hang on to my firearms.

Please do not misunderstand me, I am grateful for the ability I have been granted to own guns, and I will do whatever I can within the political system to maintain that right, including donating to lobbying organizations, making calls to representatives and so on. But the issues for which I am willing to disobey the magistrate even to the point of being willing to die, are only those issues where to obey the magistrates commands would be to go against what God has commanded. Accordingly, if a law is passed requiring registration and the magistrate says, "you will register your guns" then I will begrudgingly register them, if another law is finally passed banning firearms ownership and is upheld by the SC, then I will regretfully part with my firearms. God forbid that I would resort to murder, kidnapping, or assassination in an attempt to resist what is biblically a matter of indifference.

- SEAGOON

[lasersailor184]

You guys are getting your words confused.  

You are confusing the words "Civil War," with "Revolution."


There will be no civil war here.




However, I give the revolution 6-7 years to start.  And I'm not kidding.

[mora]

Originally posted by Hangtime
but just outta curiosity, was your family White or Red during that Finnish Civil War?

Most likely it wouldn't matter, if the person is a typical example of the population. Most of the population were "socialized" after WWII during finlandization. There's no way a typical finn would question the authority of the goverment or it's policies. It's just the same in the US, the values taught at school and by the media are just a little different. Herds of sheep...

[Curval]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Agreed.. Koresh and McVeigh were nutjobs, but two entirely diffrent brands of nutjobs. Koresh never attacked anybody. McVeigh belongs in the same closet as the Atlanta Bomber and the Unibomber. Neither are representitives of average american riflemen.

Percentage wize, the nutjobs represent a inhumanly small percentage of the population.. yet the anti-gun lobby use them as propaganda poster boys for infringement of the very rights that insure the citizen remains in control of his own destiny.

Well, I could say that the above sounds much like your average Musilm's response to all Musilms being religious nutjobs hell bet on strapping on a bomb or cutting someone's head off on the internet.....it is not representative or all Musilms.  Islam is the religion of peace etc.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Hangtime that's an interesting question and I have to admit I've never laid much thought on that. The civil war doesn't get much publicity and most people do not want to dig the past. It's a horrible thing when neighbours start to kill eachothers.

I'm glad that the whites won anyway.

And to mora: There are several things the government does I disagree with. So far the benefits outweigh the disadvantages though. I have the option to migrate the day I get enough of it.

[ygsmilo]

Originally posted by beet1e
How about using white phosphorus?

Willy Pete is ok but Nape and Snake is more effective.

[Tarmac]

Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
I have the option to migrate the day I get enough of it.

What would happen if all the places to migrate to were worse?  What would you do then?

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Seagoon
Hi Hang,

At one time in my bygone youth, I might have endorsed the sentiment of such a letter, but not anymore. Personally, I'd rather lose the right to keep and bear arms than resort to murder, kidnapping, and and assassination in a misguided attempt to hang on to my firearms.

Please do not misunderstand me, I am grateful for the ability I have been granted to own guns, and I will do whatever I can within the political system to maintain that right, including donating to lobbying organizations, making calls to representatives and so on. But the issues for which I am willing to disobey the magistrate even to the point of being willing to die, are only those issues where to obey the magistrates commands would be to go against what God has commanded. Accordingly, if a law is passed requiring registration and the magistrate says, "you will register your guns" then I will begrudgingly register them, if another law is finally passed banning firearms ownership and is upheld by the SC, then I will regretfully part with my firearms. God forbid that I would resort to murder, kidnapping, or assassination in an attempt to resist what is biblically a matter of indifference.

- SEAGOON

Hmmm...

DEMANDING OR COMPLYING WITH REGISTRATION IS BETRAYAL

Article VI of the Constitution designates the Constitution as the supreme law of the United States, and specifically states that it prevails over all state constitutions and statutes. Further, Article VI requires all legislative, executive, and judicial officers of the U.S. government and of the state governments to take an oath to obey the Constitution. Some of these officials may hate firearms and the power they give to the citizenry, but that is irrelevant — they must treat the Second Amendment as they would the rest of our Bill of Rights.

All state officials — judges, representatives, law enforcement officials — know these facts, but many are corrupt and ignore them. Their sworn word means nothing to them, nor does the Constitution, nor do the rights of the constituents for whom they work unless it suits their own political agenda. It is against this conscienceless species of human that decent Americans must continually fight, in California and in the rest of the United States.

If you believe you have the right to keep and bear proper militia arms in order to defend yourself, your family, your home, and your country, and if you believe this right is recognized in the Bill of Rights, then you cannot register or turn in any firearm whatsoever. You may rationalize it any way you wish, but if you register a firearm you are implicitly agreeing with the proposition that your right to own that firearm is nonexistent, and that such ownership is dependent upon permission from the government. Registration equals betrayal of yourself, your family, your ancestors, your birthright, your country, and your Constitution. Period.

Full Article, here:

Seagoon, I respectully submit your views (edit) on this particular subject are flawed and stand outside the national heritage of my ancestors vs the heritage of yours.

...there is no right to kill people who are doing their duty.
---- Bill Clinton, after Waco, 5 May 1995

I disagree. Our forefathers (not yours) killed plenty of redcoats and hessians who were doing their duty and in defense of the duly constituted government at that. The jews of the warsaw ghetto had every right to kill the germans and polish collabaorators who were 'doing their duty', enforcing the duly enacted laws against jews bearing arms. Our own prosecutions at Nurenburg established a clear precedent that men can and will be executed for 'just following orders'.

Sometimes to preserve freedom men must be killed. Simple as that. This is why the Second Ammendment guarantees us that IN AMERICA, the governemnet and it's agents must never be allowed to outgun the common people. The Founders could not predict precisely when such a time would come again.. but they knew for sure it would come again. Thus they guaranteed in the stongest terms each citizen his private arms. When their treason against our rights leaves us no other choice.. the day they come to get our arms some americans will elect to give them the ammunition first.

That is what firearms are for, and as Finland and Switzerland can attest, no people can long remain free without them.

[Gunslinger]

I allways remember my oath.  It's to uphold and defend the CONSTITUTION of the United States.  Not the government itself.

[Hangtime]

^^^^

Exactly. Succint, accurate and directly the point.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by beet1e
How about using white phosphorus?

Naaah, napalm is easier to make and handle.