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Offline J_A_B

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« Reply #45 on: November 18, 2005, 07:50:18 PM »
In my opinion, the biggest threat to our nation are city dwellers and surburbanites who never get out into the real world and never experience any way of life except their own sheltered existance.  Call them city-slickers, yuppies, whatever you want.

I'm talking about people who think stuff like:

"I don't need a gun, so I don't see why you'd want one either".

"I don't need a 4x4 so you shouldn't be able to have one either"

"I live in an apartment and don't own any land so I don't care if they use eminent domain on yours for that new Wal Mart"

"I don't know how to actually build anything myself so I don't care if they make it illegal for you to build what you like on your own property"

"I don't like the noise that (road, airport, railroad, etc) makes, despite the fact it was there for 50 years before I moved here"


....and so on.

The whole attitude of "it's okay to ban anything I don't personally use" and "if that law is good for NYC and LA it must be good for rural WVa too!" is what's wrecking this country.  It's kind of like how the Durango & Silverton RR is increasingly under fire from the yuppies moving into Durango (now that Boulder and Aspen are too expensive) and the yuppies don't like the steam engines....nevermind that the railroad has been there since the 1880's, founded the town, and the yuppies shouldn't have moved there if they didn't like coal smoke.  No, ban the train to suit their narrow-minded selfish way of life!!!

And that presents a problem for the people who truly treasure the Constitution....because instead of the federal government being the root of the problem (as opposed to its actions being a symptom), it's half the people in the country who are the problem.   What can be done?


Yeah, it's pretty clear I don't live in a big city.  I used to live in the Cleveland area....never again will I live in a major urban area.  I feel sorry for people who spend their entire lives in a city and never see the country as it really is.


J_A_B


Oh, and surburban sprawl is the tool of Satan, if there is such a thing as a tool of Satan.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2005, 07:53:05 PM by J_A_B »

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« Reply #46 on: November 18, 2005, 07:51:06 PM »
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You are capitalising "Rifleman" and writing about these people as if it were some kind of masonic organisation.  Is it?

...and, just for the record you sound as if you are being indoctrinated.


OK this is hard to explain.

IMHO what Hang is trying to say is ............

you're dealing with a group of people with a certain mindset.  Trying to explain this mindset is VERY difficult!  If it is some kind of organization it is a voluntary one that many are a part of without realizing it.

This far and NO further is a portion of the mindset.

They value their freedom AND, this part is important, accept the responsibilty for that freedom.  

That responsibilty includes giving, acknowledging, and assuring the freedom of others.

That includes accepting the responsibilty for having a leathel weapon within your control and knowing it is a leathel weapon and acting accordingly.   And KNOWING that because you have control of that leathel weapon you WILL be held to a higher standard of LAW then those that do not.

That includes the responsibilty of learning when, and how, this weapon should be used and when, and how, it should not.

That also includes the responsibilty for SELF DISCIPLINE, and SELF CONTROL.  Meaning you NO LONGER have the luxary of throwing those screaming, spit spewing, tauntrums the liberals seems so fond of.  Because if you do and you have a weapon and a liberal is present, that liberal will be POSITIVE you are going to kill someone.  You KNOW in your heart and mind you won't, but the liberal can only see what is in their own heart and mind and only expect you to act according to what THEY BELIEVE, and quite possibly what they KNOW they would do?

You can call it endoctrination or what ever.  But many consider it a badge of honor.  When around such people it's very soothing!  Yep soothing.  You know they value your freedom, liberty, and rights as much as their own AND they value highly your right to DISAGREE with them!  YOU KNOW WHERE YOU STAND!

These are not gang banger types.  They will not threaten you or anyone with leathel force unless they are provoked.  That provocation will in almost every case withstand scrutiny in a court of law and result in the justification of the use of that leathel force.  You are quite safe around these people.  Perhaps the safest you can ever be.

These are the kind of people that willing come to the support of law enforcement.  Even risking their lives in such actions.  They believe firmly in the Rule of Law.  And disagree firmly with the rule of men.

hmmm........ not sure I am able to convey this properly.  Many have tried and most have done a much better job.

Hope that i've helped some all the same.
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« Reply #47 on: November 18, 2005, 07:54:52 PM »
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Originally posted by J_A_B
In my opinion, the biggest threat to our nation are city dwellers and surburbanites who never get out into the real world and never experience any way of life except their own sheltered existance.  Call them city-slickers, yuppies, whatever you want.

I'm talking about people who think stuff like:

"I don't need a gun, so I don't see why you'd want one either".

"I don't need a 4x4 so you shouldn't be able to have one either"

"I live in an apartment and don't own any land so I don't care if they use eminent domain on yours for that new Wal Mart"

"I don't know how to actually build anything myself so I don't care if they make it illegal for you to build what you like on your own property"

"I don't like the noise that (road, airport, railroad, etc) makes, despite the fact it was there for 50 years before I moved here"


....and so on.

The whole attitude of "it's okay to ban anything I don't personally use" and "if that law is good for NYC and LA it must be good for rural WVa too!" is what's wrecking this country.  It's kind of like how the Durango & Silverton RR is increasingly under fire from the yuppies moving into Durango (now that Boulder and Aspen are too expensive) and the yuppies don't like the steam engines....nevermind that the railroad has been there since the 1880's, founded the town, and the yuppies shouldn't have moved there if they didn't like coal smoke.  No, ban the train to suit their narrow-minded selfish way of life!!!

And that presents a problem for the people who truly treasure the Constitution....because instead of the federal government being the root of the problem (as opposed to its actions being a symptom), it's half the people in the country who are the problem.   What can be done?


Yeah, it's pretty clear I don't live in a big city.  I used to live in the Cleveland area....never again will I live in a major urban area.  I feel sorry for people who spend their entire lives in a city and never see the country as it really is.


J_A_B


Oh, and surburban sprawl is the tool of Satan, if there is such a thing as a tool of Satan.


Dang!  Right on!!!!   SIR

OOPS came to mind right after I posted.  These are the kind of people that IMHO DON'T accept the resposibilty for their freedom, don't understand the nature of their freedom, or care about their freedom, until someone tries to take it.  They totaly miss the part "I am not free unless you are free".  Hmmm perhaps they just don't understand it?  Probably don't understand the difference between freedom and liberty either.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2005, 08:00:10 PM by wrag »
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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« Reply #48 on: November 18, 2005, 08:21:51 PM »
Yup. I can't do any better than that. Again Wrag.. thanks. Just got off the phone with my buddy the pilot. Asked him the same question. Here's what he said, word for word. I wrote it down, because he got kinda quiet and said 'This is important'. Here goes..

This is my rifle.  There are many like it, but this one is mine.  It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.  Without me, my rifle is useless.  Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than the enemy who is trying to kill me.  I must shoot him before he shoots me.

I will.

My rifle and I know that what counts is not the rounds we fire, the noise we make or the smoke.. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit. We will hit HARD.

My rifle is human, just as I am human, because it is my life. So, I will learn it as my brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strengths, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will keep my rifle clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other.

Before God I swear this; My rifle and I are the defenders of my country, our rights, our future. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of Freedom.

So be it, until victory is ours and there is no enemy.


I asked him where he heard that and he laughed. "I'm a Marine. We memorize it or get the livin crap kicked out of us. I had to recite that during a tear gas familiarization. If I screwed it up, I'd have to go back in again... not likely to be something I'd ever forget."

Go figure.  Whelp.. here's to The United States Marines.
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« Reply #49 on: November 19, 2005, 01:23:14 AM »
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BTW, what's that Roo in yer avatard holding, anyway?


Cougar Hotas stick. Need to make it a tad bigger methinks

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« Reply #50 on: November 19, 2005, 05:33:01 AM »
:rofl

Hang!  I too am an Ex-Marine.  I knew where that came from soon as I saw it.  I still remember boot camp!  IMHO that is one of the things that can happen in a persons life that if they go through it is NEVER forgotten!

It has been said many times "Once a Marine always a Marine".

BTW I think that and my upbringing made me a Rifleman.

Still have a soft spot in my heart for the M-14.

Note: EVERY Marine no matter if they be a cook, mechanic, truck driver, what ever they are assigned to do after boot camp is first and foremost a RIFLEMAN!

That is Marine Corps basic!

to you and tell your friend Semper Fi :)
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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« Reply #51 on: November 19, 2005, 07:39:42 AM »
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How about using white phosphorus?
I always figured White Phosphorus or napalm would be just what the doctor ordered for a swat team.

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« Reply #52 on: November 19, 2005, 07:48:13 AM »
"They believe firmly in the Rule of Law. And disagree firmly with the rule of men."

HUH?

Just who made the Rule of Law?  Aliens from outter space?

Hang explained it better than you in one sentence.  He essentially said I simply could understand because I have not grown up in your gun-culture, and he is right.

The stuff you wrote is just fluffy "God Bless America" rhetoric with a bit of liberal bashing thrown in for good measure.
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« Reply #53 on: November 19, 2005, 09:40:07 AM »
scspck.. I believer that anyone who has spent his life with firearms and then doesn't trust his friends and neigbors and fellow man with one is.... very obviously... insane.   How do you walk the street or drive a car?  any of your dangerous fellow men could nut out and vere over the line or curb and run you over..

jab... you are pretty much correct except that most of us do not make a hero of koresh..   we do feel that he had rights tho.  moreso.. we fear a government who would not only kill a nut who had harmed no one but.... kill 80 other men women and 28 children just to get to him..

in Randy Weavers case it is even worse... the man did everything he could do to hide from government and be as harmless as possible and they hunted him down like an animal and trampled his (our) rights and slaughtered his family... for no reaon at all.

seagoon... I think that you may be hanging on to your last vestiges of being british...  Here... the constitution and the founders expected that unconstitutional laws would be met with defiance... they felt it was the way things should be.  If a law comes out and says that free speech only applies to what you can say so long as no one else hears it.... and... the supremes make it the "law of the land"  is it right?  do you quit preaching?  or... do you change your preaching to suit the new guidlines?  

At what point does your new country turn into your old one?  and do you care?  where would you go if you did?

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« Reply #54 on: November 19, 2005, 09:42:43 AM »
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"They believe firmly in the Rule of Law. And disagree firmly with the rule of men."

HUH?

Just who made the Rule of Law?  Aliens from outter space?

Hang explained it better than you in one sentence.  He essentially said I simply could understand because I have not grown up in your gun-culture, and he is right.

The stuff you wrote is just fluffy "God Bless America" rhetoric with a bit of liberal bashing thrown in for good measure.


Curval, growing up in a gun culture does not make us bad men.

It makes us VERY[/b] bad men.

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« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2005, 04:40:22 PM »
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"They believe firmly in the Rule of Law. And disagree firmly with the rule of men."

HUH?

Just who made the Rule of Law?  Aliens from outter space?

Hang explained it better than you in one sentence.  He essentially said I simply could understand because I have not grown up in your gun-culture, and he is right.

The stuff you wrote is just fluffy "God Bless America" rhetoric with a bit of liberal bashing thrown in for good measure.



Hmmmm thought everyone knew and understood what the rule of law vs the rule of man was?!?!

Rule of law vs rule of men.

Rule of law.......

The king can't do chit! if the written law says he can't.  Neither can parliment.

Ya man wrote the laws but did so to set down specific standards.  This far and no further.  Certain things are protected from abuse.

Rule of men

They change the laws as the feel they need to get the result they want.

Standards are not set and the King or whoever can make changes as they go.  Nothing is protected from this.


Problem here and now for some of the people is they see the rule of man gradually destroying the rule of law.

Don't you mean "couldn't" understand?

Fluff?  hmmm maybe so but for many it is, it simply is.  As too God Bless America?  LOL OK sounds good to me :)

Liberal bashing?  Maybe?  But that is the way they act far too often!  Rabid screaming spit flying frothing at the mouth rants in the media etc........ And IMHO gettin tired of being classed as a criminal by these people for just wanting my rights.  So a little verbal bashing may be a good thing.  Maybe it's past time for a little verbal bashing?  For far too long people like me have been sitting back and watching this garbage.
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« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2005, 05:19:27 PM »
What King?  Very few monarchy's have any real power these days. Your definitions aren't very relevant at all.
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« Reply #57 on: November 19, 2005, 06:12:59 PM »
Yer nit-pickin Curval. Tsk, Tsk. You get the point, and it IS relevant.

Uganda (and the rest of Africa)
Turkmenestan, Uzbekistan
Ecuador, Columbia, Peru, Venezuela, etc
Russia
Lybia
Saudi Arabia
Somalia
UAE
China
Thailand
Cambodia


Cripes there's 50 more.. all of 'em hot spots where civil rights have been usurped and trampled upon routinely by the Goverment or Warlords at it's/their convienience.

C'mon.
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« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2005, 06:39:20 PM »
Why did Wrag use the term King?  My guess is some vague reference to places like the UK.   It was rather lazsesque.  I notice the UK isn't on your list though....hmmm.
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« Reply #59 on: November 19, 2005, 06:52:35 PM »
LOL!!

Relax Curval, no need to get yer parlimentary feathers in an Uproar.. you guys eventually defanged yer King and instituted a Parlimentary Democracy; and your particular happy lil Island is a freakin paradise compared to the ****-holes where the Rule of Men is a tyrannical reality.

How'd you manage to slant this into an international pissing contest, anywho??
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