Correct loadout: the drop tank and internal fuel problem

[Vortex]

Originally posted by gatt
Vortex,
the fact that MA is not historical due to gamey features is not a reason to justify more gamey things. It is a problem.



The DT + 75% internal fuel limit would not enhance gameplay it would just avoid double standars and further unfair advantage for some a/c.

Well, I think we're coming at it from two pretty different angles here. I view the MA as more of a gaming area, based rigedly upon historical flight models and gunnery, but very loosely upon the other WWII historical components. So with that it logically follows that for MA play I put gaming criteria on equal or higher footing as other historical aspects. As an example, I'd much rather see ammo loads be scalable, than fuel loads be forced. That would not have any basis in history, but for the Ma I wouldn't see that it is required to.

I think the more general historical parameters you're suggesting fit well in scenarios though. That's where one wants to put into play as many historical restrictions as possible.

I'm not sure about the concept of it being a double standard though, or it providing an unfair advantage to certain aircraft. All the aircraft in AH suffer from great hinderances, or huge advantages. Fuel loads are just one component of that greater equation. That's just a choice one makes when they pick a plane.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Kweassa
It's basically the typical "it ain't real" cop-out routine.

 When all else fails, one can always blow the entire discussion and go back to square one - "hey, this is all a game. The MA ain't like real WW2, so we can do whatever we want and we can use whatever gamey situations to our disposal, and so there."


 The MA, or AH itself for that matter, may not be a 1:1 scale representation of the real life conflict, but as game of the simulation genre its strength draws from what kind ethos it takes from the real life experience. Every inch it departs from reality unnecessarily, weakens its existence as a game of this kind.


 What's to stop people from wanting a "Sky-Captain" type of wonderweapons in the first place, when all realistic standards are declared null and void, just because "the MA ain't real"? Call me a fundamentalist, I don't care. But the attitudes shown by some people in these types of discussions are just classic hypocrisy at its best. The guys who would go to nut and bolt levels in discussing planes performance or other realism issues, would suddenly go blind on all else when it comes to the defense of their own favorite plane or plane groups.

 I mean, it's not even something like an "engine management" issue - an issue like that has reasons to be justified. This is a typical abusal issue - an abuse of an equipment in the wrong manner. It is plain wrong.

 Ofcourse, it is a "wrong" which many people are already used to, and take good advantage of - and none who would come to defend it would go as far as to admit like a man that the DTs available is an advantage they don't want to give up.

 Noooo - they resort to "it's realistic. Planes could do that.. if they really wanted to" argument, and now, it suddenly comes to "you can't expect realism in the MA" argument. How cheap is that?

I'm just waiting for the perked P-40s that fly under water.

[Kurt]

Originally posted by straffo
Just because his customer are mostly american and won't stay if the US fighter canno't dominate in a way or another.

If the customer base was all French they'd only need One button..
Surrender

And before you blast me for my nationalist remarks, I'll ask you to explain why yours are acceptable.

Why is it acceptable to get in here and say that we only play if the American fighters are superior?  What a crock of hokum!  The best fighters in the MA are British, German and Russian.

Set your nationalist agenda aside and stick with the topic.

[straffo]

You should really try the P51 B or D at 50% fuel they are both very nice fighter.

A answer me :

Why should the US planes (and the other) suck fuel twice faster than in real ?


I'll help you , the usual answer is :

- the field are close in the MA


and my usual answer to this :

- why don't they climb twice as fast ? only one of the 3 dimension as been "tuned"/"corrected"

[Kurt]

Originally posted by straffo

- why don't they climb twice as fast ? only one of the 3 dimension as been "tuned"/"corrected"

Fuel burn is a dimension?

The dimensions I know are
1) Vertical
2) Horizontal
3) Depth
4) Space/Time

Stop ranting like a fool.

The fuel burns are increased because no one flys for 6 hours in AH... And the climb rates are NOT increased because no one needs to get to 60k feet.

Now please, re-insert your pacifier.

[straffo]

There was a typo in my previous post :

I intended to write one of the dimension as not been corrected : Z



Btw as speaking of dimension ever heard of vector spaces or topological space ?





And also thank for insulting me twice in 2 posts.

[Kurt]

Ok, I was harsh and apologize.  But I do get very tired of 'You Americans only do things if America wins'

My friend if you start a discussion like that, you're looking for a fight, consider your own words in relation to my response.

Anyhow, returning to your thoughts about Z, its absurd, and here is why...

I'm zipping along at 400 mph horizontal.  I pull into a vertical climb and now I get to go 800 mph?

How ridiculous would that be?  Have you considered that?

You sure put on a show like you know what you're talking about, but have you considered how inertia is supposed to be modeled in your new scheme?  An objects inertia at 800 mph is not simply doubled.  So now that I've got my 800mph climb going, it's going to take a while for it to burn off.  More than double the time.  Speaking of inertia, what about manuvering?  If I so much as twitch the stick I'm gonna black out.

And if I go back to straight and level do I magically return to 1/2 of my vertical speed?

Let's try to apply some common sense here.  Fuel burn is a constant value for a given throttle setting.  It's a simple solution to a flight world that is a lot smaller than the real one.

[straffo]

Well I shouldn't have wrote the part about US customer this way , I apologise.

I use all planes in AH ,if you look at my score you will find I'm in love again with the P51B (it happen from time to time that I change my main ride I changed from Yak to Typhoon to D9 to 51 and sometime others )

I also I know my proposition is stupid

please read (if you have a loooooot of time )
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117803
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10638
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10704


I even made some proposal

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=118231

**** fire alarm at work !!!!