Author Topic: Help & training - Training Arena vs. Dueling Arena (Read 1339 times)

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #15 on:** November 21, 2005, 09:10:43 PM »

Thank You for the post, Vudak. and I concur with your post. Looking forward to seeing how far you have excelled

go easy on me

Schatzi · « **Reply #16 on:** November 22, 2005, 04:31:14 AM »

Well said Vudak. You nailed it a lot better than i did.

Ghosth · « **Reply #17 on:** November 22, 2005, 06:48:36 AM »

Both venue's have their place.

Yes there are some things you can really only be sure of if you've tried them with live ammo and someone who can shoot.

The majority of training is better off in the TA. I'm talking takeing someone from day one up through basic ability to fly & fight.

Face it, 95% of all that we learn we end up having to teach ourselfs anyway.
Yes we have people who help show us the way. But in the end it all comes down to

A Understanding the concepts involved.

B Stick time to hone reflexes and be able to do it all without thinking about it.
(When you see "this" you know you have to do "that" to counter)

High end training or 1 on 1 practise you can do anywhere.
TA, DA, CT, or main. It just takes some minor adjustment to methods.

That leaves us with the majority of training. People from day 1 to maybe 6 months. Here the TA shines, simply because you can squeeze more air time into each session. Without someone constantly having to replane because he got shot. You also have the advantage of being able to start out working with fuzeman or myself, and work your way up with several of the trainers.
Each of which has his own strenghts and insights to pass on.

Lye-El · « **Reply #18 on:** November 22, 2005, 01:17:49 PM »

I've been on AH for about a year. Flew AW on an Amiga and a little bit on AOL. I also have had about 50 hours in a Cessna 150 in my younger days so I never had the how do I fly issues. I have always had a likeing for WWII aircraft and never got into jets.

The above is some background. That said I never was very good. As such, after getting my head handed to me in the MA I moved to primarily GVs and enjoyed myself in that role. Of late I have found myself uping fighters more and spending more time in the TA. Not so much working with the trainers as being a sparring partner for trainees who want to fight someone and with experienced players. I was pleasantly surprised how many experienced players show up in there as fighting them gives me a rule to measure myself against. It might be a short rule as I don't know most of them. I do know it usually doesn't take but a couple of turns to know that they know something.

The smoke idea I like. That would give you feedback if a killing shot was made for both the shooter and shootee especially on the deflection shots, some of which are made below the nose. The smoke would only have to last for 5 seconds or so to know you made a killing shot.

In my timezone it's usually Fuzeman or Ghosth that I see on and Fuze is there a lot. to both.

Fuze has offered to do some training with me the next time we meet and he is not trying go get somebody off the ground.

Probably tonight if it's fairly quite in the TA.

Lye-El · « **Reply #19 on:** November 22, 2005, 01:22:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Ghosth

start out working with fuzeman or myself, and work your way up

Uhh...so...after training with you there is no where to go but up?

AutoPilot · « **Reply #20 on:** November 22, 2005, 01:59:22 PM »

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The smoke idea I like.

Another good thing about smoke is if you have it on and are working with someone that is new and they need to be able too keep up with you and be able too see which way you are going the smoke gives them a head's up on that.

fuzeman · « **Reply #21 on:** November 22, 2005, 05:55:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Lye-El
Fuze has offered to do some training with me the next time we meet and he is not trying go get somebody off the ground.

Probably tonight if it's fairly quite in the TA.

Tuesday bad night for me, squad night so I'll be in the MA mostly.

Widewing · « **Reply #22 on:** November 22, 2005, 10:34:52 PM »

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Originally posted by fuzeman
Tuesday bad night for me, squad night so I'll be in the MA mostly.

Tonight (Tuesday) was squad night for me too. But, the MA crashed, so I went to the TA.

I spent some time flying with LyeEL and he's learning fast... Give him a couple of tours and he'll be a real tough opponent.

My regards,

Widewing

fuzeman · « **Reply #23 on:** November 23, 2005, 09:15:02 AM »

Thanks Widewing for covering. I had to log early from squad night to get up early for car inspection so I wasn't there for any MA crash.

The car failed inspection too , there was a tiny tear at one end of a wiper blade. Of course they would have sold me some nice $26 wiper blades but I passed and will buy some that aren't gold at an auto parts place.

Morpheus · « **Reply #24 on:** November 23, 2005, 10:48:15 AM »

I like to help people, but Im not a trainer, so when I go and help them its in the DA 99.999% of the time. I feel like I am stepping on the trainers toes when I take someone to the TA to help them.

AutoPilot · « **Reply #25 on:** November 23, 2005, 02:22:43 PM »

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I feel like I am stepping on the trainers toes when I take someone to the TA to help them.

They welcome it actually from what i have seen.Yesterday was training 3-4 at once,well answering questions,showing moves,etc.

Even if you get them to use thier mic or able to type messages and start down a runway that is helping alot.

fuzeman · « **Reply #26 on:** November 23, 2005, 02:38:32 PM »

Unless your telling them Alt F4 is for extra power I think Trainers like the help.
Somedays your juggling a single ball, other days 5 or 6. Even if it's the mundane 'g is for landing gear' it helps.

Mugzeee · « **Reply #27 on:** November 24, 2005, 02:07:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Vudak

Although I agree about the whole lethality/did I dodge well enough? argument, I'd have to say the time I've spent in the TA (admittedly, not enough) have been extremely helpful. The very fact that there is no lethality means that you can practice that scissor, get 6 crosses right, mess up on number 7, then do well again for 8-12, etc...

In the DA you get 6 crosses practiced and then you're nailed and have to climb out all over again.

Yep...im going to say those words again. "Airwarrior"
hehe AW had a nifty setting that addressed this problem. In training you could actually shot someone down with normal lethality, BUT! You didn’t have to restart. There was a message reporting that you were shot down...then you AC just came back to life. just like the offline drones.

I loved it.

Have always wondered why HTC didnt make it an option in H2H or make it as a setting in the TA?
Heck...maybe it is an optional arena setting?
What was cool about it. Is the psychological effect it had. It was kinda middle of the road. You knew you blew it...but you didnt get out of the mood by having to re-up and climb out. HT...jut Do IT!

Vudak · « **Reply #28 on:** November 24, 2005, 09:47:19 PM »

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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
Thank You for the post, Vudak. and I concur with your post. Looking forward to seeing how far you have excelled go easy on me

Eh, I never really fly anymore, part-time school, full time work & girl, you know the drill

Maybe around the holidays though we could set up a time if you aren't traveling far. Knock some rust off and I'm sure I'd learn a new trick or two

S!

Silat · « **Reply #29 on:** November 28, 2005, 06:48:56 AM »

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Originally posted by AutoPilot

If HT would get rid of the buddie system when it comes too who does what then this game would prolly be alot better.

Ok you must have seen the pictures of that weekend retreat where the buddie system got its start. I made quite a few buddies that weekend. But I dont remember much due to the vast amounts date rape drugs that were put in my drink.